LL-L "Names" 2005.07.20 (05) [E]

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Names" [E]

> I have an unrelated question.  Is the surname Wells related to Scottish
> Welsh and Walsh (which, as we learned, denote "Welsh" but frequently 
> became
> the name of Flemings that had emigrated first to Wales and then to
> Scotland)?

Remember that there's also a city called Wells in Somerset, England. So the 
surname could mean "Welsh", or "from Wells" or sometimes one and sometimes 
the other!

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.07.20 (02) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
> Subject: Names
>
> Moyen, Jonny, myn vründ,
>
> I don't think Heiko claimed that it was LS.  He just said that it was
> one of the pronunciations.  You are right, though, in saying that it
> wouldn't be Low Saxon (Low German).
>
> In Hamburg Missingsch and in the German dialects derived or influenced
> by it, liquids (/r/, /l/) before [C] (<ch> as in _ich_) become [I]
> (<i> as in <nicht>); thus for instance:
>
> Burg [bU:/IC] 'castle' (standard [bURk], LS _Borg_ [bO:/Vx])
> durch [dU:/IC] 'through' (standard [dURC], LS _dörch_ [d9:/3`C])
> furchtbar ["fU:/ICba:] 'terrible' (standard ["fURCtba:R], LS ---)
> Milch [me:/IC] 'milk' (standard [mIlC], LS _Melk_ [mE:/lk])
> welch [vE:/IC] 'which' (standart [vElC], LS _welk_ [vE:/k]
> but:
> welk [vE:/lk] ~ [vE:/Ik] 'withered' (standard [vElk], LS ---)
>
> In case it doesn't show in your font, _Milch_ and _welch_ have a lax
> "i" in the non-standard forms and the standard forms have an "l" as in
> "lift" before the final consonant.  In the case of _welk_, Missingsch
> _et al._ have variation between "l" as in "lift" and a lax "i".  So
> there's something going on with palato-velars.
>
> (Dave, I think I got the SAMPA half-length right this time, and I hope
> you are duly proud of me.)

Ron,
Did you see my correction above? It's a backslash \ not a forward one /.
My fault for getting it wrong. Forward slash / closes a phonemic
representation

David

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Names

Thanks for the info about Wells, Sandy.

Dave ... oych, the learning curve! ¡Qué coñazo! Well, one of these days I 
will do you proud.

There's still hope.
Reinhard/Ron

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