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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Beliefs" 2007.04.28 (04) [E]

  Dear Ron:

Subject: L-Lowlands History

> Mark, I guess you'd agree that in various Jewish traditions there are what
appear to be pre-Judaic elements, usually shrugged off as superstition.

Ja. But two points; these guys are OLD hey! It's hard to find races older.
Try the Sumerians, & who else? If I can find it I'll send along the Sumerian
scholar's perspective on the Bible's second Creation tale - & the creation
of Eve. It's easier to find tags in Jewish culture to younger host-peoples:
Like for example the the present Jewish epithet for a free-thinker (now
that's a prickly concept), 'epicat', only it comes from the Classical Greek
'epicurian', which is hardly the same thing. Even in their prejudices, this
is an ancient race.

Off the top of my head, I can think of the "evil eye," a tradition that
appears to cover most of Europe and the Middle East, Central Asia, up to
Southern Asia (and in later times migrated to Jewish, Christian and Muslim
enclaves elsewhere).

Before I drop the matter & dive in after the delightful string you stretched
out in front of me, I might add the wisdom in the Jewish psyche that
perceived the objective consequences of malign envy. This word & others are
often easier to define in psychological terms than as superstition.

Ah, modern Judaism uses this concept in much the same spirit as another,
translated in the King James Bible as a 'froward tongue' - 'lishon hara'
(Hebrew) & 'lawshen hawra' (Yiddish).

Enough of this.

Yrs deliciously,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Beliefs

Haai, Mark!

Your wrote:

> Try the Sumerians, & who else? If I can find it I'll send along the
Sumerian scholar's perspective on the Bible's second
> Creation tale - & the creation of Eve. It's easier to find tags in Jewish
culture to younger host-peoples

Oh, sure!  But easier is not always more correct.  I did include Sumerian in
the list as a hint that this may be the source of the evil eye thing for all
of them.  It permeates Jewish cultures everywhere, as far as I can tell, so
its origin must be pretty darn early.  Besides, Greek culture was also
imbued with Sumerian and Persian cultural influences.

I suppose that this far back in history it's anyone's guess.

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Tom Mc Rae <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Beliefs" 2007.04.28 (04) [E]

Here in Queensland a common garden weed exudes a milky sap which does kill
off warts.Wish I'd known about that before I visited Edinburgh Royal
Infirmary to have my wart covered hands cured.
They burned them out using liquid nitrogen and it hurt like hell. Two days
later I auditioned for admission to the
Edinburgh Magic Circle and passed first class with handaged hands.
An English friend visited a Derby fairground where a wise man was selling
sealed envelopes in which was enclosed a foolproof
wart cure. The paper just stated "TAKE CALCIUM TABLETS" he did, they went.
I also refer you to Huckleberry Finn's cure in "Tom Sawyer", read it for
yourself it's still a great book.

On 29/04/2007, at 11:12 AM, R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com > wrote:

Heather, we were taught to wait until full moon, cut a small piece off a
wart, bury it in a flower pot and then leave the pot on a window sill in
view of the moon.  Apparently, this was an adaptation from burying the
tissue in the ground.


Regards
Tom Mc Rae
Brisbane Australia
Oh Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us
Tae See Oorsel's as Ithers See Us
Robert Burns

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