LL-L "Folklore" 2007.08.05 (03) [E/LS]
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From: Arend Victorie <victorie.a at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Folklore"
Moi Reinhard,
Verklaoring Kobold.
Kabouter (15 73) *cabouterman.*
(1595*) cabouter.* Daarnaast ook westvlaams en Fries *klabouter.*
Kan wegens middelnederlands *coubout. *Niet gescheiden worden
Van Hoogduits *Kobold. *Dat uit *Kuba-Walda = huisbestuurder/huisgeest
*verklaard
wordt.
Het eerste deel is middelnederduits *köve=hutje/schuur, *oudengels
*cofa *nieuwengels
*cove*
Oudnoors *kofi/vertrek* dat verder samenhangt met grieks *gupê=onderaardse
woning.*
Het tweede lid is het Germaanse werkwoord *waldan=besturen*
Met het Nederlandse *puk, *en 't drentse puk en pukkie, kom ik niet verder
dan *klein persoon.*
Now is een kebolter ok een klein persoon. Mar ik zie gien vergelieking mit
Pan, Pan is toch een bosgod?
De geit en de bok wördt bij oons meer verienzölfdigt mit de duuvel, de
duuvel har volgens de volksverhaolen ok horens en bokkepoten.
*Arend Victorie*
From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Folklore
Och, ja, Marlou, nu besinn ik mi wedder, dankens Di. Ik kenn em man as Niss
Puck, un dat mit "Puuk" harr ik daar nich mit verbunnen.
Niks för ungood, leve Niss! Ik b ün ook wedder arig.
Folks, Marlou reminded me of a North German house spirit named Niss Puck,
whom she mentioned in her translation as "Nis Puuk," which is why I didn't
recognize him. Obviously he's related to the Welsh Pwc ( *pwca*) Heather
talked about a few days ago, also to the Irish Púka, the Frisian Puk, the
Icelandic Púki and the German Putz, and of course also to Puck in
Shakespeare's *Midsummer Night's Dream*.
Apparently, this figure began as a nature spirit. In Ireland, goats are
often referred to as "puck." This leads me to suspect that there is a
connection with the faun Pan (Greek *Πάν*, and various satyrs) of the
Mediterranean region.
Any ideas with a Lowlands focus?
Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Folklore
Beste Arend,
Du schreyvst:
Mar ik zie gien vergelieking mit Pan, Pan is toch een bosgod?
De geit en de bok wördt bij oons meer verienzölfdigt mit de duuvel, de
duuvel har volgens de volksverhaolen ok horens en bokkepoten.
Ja, man ik schreyv' ook:
Apparently, this figure began as a nature spirit. In Ireland, goats are
often referred to as "puck."
Kan wesen, dat hyr 'n paar figuren mengeleyrd sünd. Man vun belang is dat
düsse "puk" eynerwegens mit 'n bok verbunnen wardt un as Pan un dey satyren
schavernaksch [schelmsch] is. Neddersassisch "puts" (Duytschland) un "pots"
(Nedderlanden) un ook Nedderlandsch pots un poets kaamt schynts vun Duytsch
Putz af, wat nu "streyk" (NL streek) or "undoegd" (gekheid, dwaasheid,
frivoliteit) beduydt man in olde tyden vun puk af-keym.
Dat bok-element hyr un ook in d'n sin vun "duyvel", Pan (> Latynsch Faunus)
un dey satyren (σάτυροι sátyroi) kümt schynts vun "seksuel sharp (un putsig)"
af, dey "verleyders" vun mennig eyn "goude" deyrn (νύμφη nýmphē) un jung
(ἐρώμενος erómenos).
Wikipedia:
It is likely that the demonized images of the
incubus<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_%28demon%29>and even the
horns and cloven
hooves <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloven-hoof> of
Satan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan>,
as depicted in much Christian literature and art, were taken from the images
of the highly sexual Pan.
Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron
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