LL-L "Morphophonology" 2007.07.26 (02) [A/E]

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Morphophonology" 2007.07.25 (11) [A/E]

Hi all,

Ron, I don't think the users of oge instead of oë would know
that this is an original Dutch form, especially not the 80-plus
users.

I take it pretty much all Afrikaans speakers recognize the older (and Dutch)
forms.

About Kuschke's "Rosie van die velde', keep in mind that this was translated
with the sole purpose of being sung
and not seen as poetry. The lines are loaded with forced rhyming and other
unmentionables and not a true
reflection of how Afrikaans is spoken after 1950.

Rhymed Psalms, translated before the 60's, suffered the same ugly fate and
making for some funny parts which I
only understood years later!

Another weird one tends to be 'to go' and 'to stand'.  Going by the
otherwise consistent deletion of old infinitive *-(e)n* in Afrikaans, we
would expect * and *ga*sta* .

But the forms are still used in Gariep Afrikaans. We've discussed these
before:

- Loep ga sta doer by jou pa.
- Wat ga sta jy doer in die middel van die pad?
- Vir wat ga vertel jy vir ma dat ek 'n dampie gehê het? Sta so lat ek jou
ka klap!
- La ek jille nou vetel wa Dawid die wortels gegrou het.

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser
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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Morphophonology" 2007.07.25 (12) [E]

Hi all,

Ron, your rule is valid:

A verb whose etymological root ends with a vowel takes on *-n*.

(1) Examples (go, stand, see):

gaan! - staan! - sien!

Sie dat julle wegkom!

(2) As opposed to (eat, bake, cook):

eet! - bak! - kook!
ek eet - ek bak - ek kook
jy eet - jy bak - jy kook
hy eet - u bak - jy kook
ons eet - ons bak - ons kook
ek sal eet - ek sal bak - ek sal kook

(3) But what about cases like *sê* (say) and *gee* (give)? Well, look, Mom!
No *-n*!

sê! - gee!

They are often shortened, for example:
Gie my nou daai skottel!

Thanks!
Elsie Zinsser
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ek sê - ek gee
jy sê - jy gee
hy sê - hy gee
ons sê - ons gee
ek sal sê - ek sal gee
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