LL-L "Language politics" 2007.11.08 (06) [E/LS]

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From: Mike Wintzer <k9mw at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2007.11.08 (05)

HURRAY!!!

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2007.11.08 (05)

 Beste Heiko,

Du schreyvst:

> De Krink Stormarn hett tosamen mit de Fehrs-Gill de plattdüütschen Naams
för
> de Öörd in Stormarn fastleggt, dormit de op de Oortsschiller kamen köönt.
Gradoleyr ouk! Nu waard 't woll draod weller Wiinach'en! Is dat ne greesig?
"Fastleggt"(!!!???) foyr de Eywigkeyt, wa? De Oul'n schöllt sick woll in
jemmer Groyv mennigmool üm-dreyhen, wenn 's dat tou seyh'n kriigt.
Man goud, watt 'ck door ne leeben un' doud-bliiben mutt...

Allerbest Wünschers, nu all!

Jonny Meibohm

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language politics

[English below]

Heiko un annere Lüüd',

Ik heff mi de List ankäken un will geern wäten, of de Naams altohoop
"natüürlich" (or "echt") sünd or of daar welk mit bi sünd, de wen allerlest
tohoopklamüstert hett. Or geev' dat daar wat to köörn, vun wägen dat Woord
"fastleggt"?

Na Jonny sien Reakschoon baven to oordeeln lett dat meist, as weern de Naams
nich echt. Sülven kann ik dat nich seggen, wiel dat ik vun de daar lüttern
Öörd' nich vääl afwäten do. Liekers nähm ik stark an, dat de Minschen daar
ook "platt" snackt or maal "platt" snackt harrn, un daar wägen schull een
ook annähmen, dat 't "platte" Naams gifft.

Klaar doot wi altohoop wäten, dat "fastleggt" niks mit "Ewigkeit" to doon
hett, liek as offitschelle düütsche un annere Oordsnaams nich up Ewigkeit
fastleggt sünd.

Folks, Heiko drew our attention to the news that the North German
municipality of Stormarn will have bilingual place signs and has published a
list of German places and their Low Saxon equivalents. I took a look at the
list and am asking if all of the LS place names are "Although I have heard
of most of these places I am not familiar enough with them to be able to
answer this question myself. However, I am intrigued enough by Jonny's
acerbic reaction above to wonder what's the deal. It seems as though he
objects to the word *fastleggt* 'determined', 'decided', with reference to
these names, which, I must admit, sounds a bit as though they were invented
or as though there were many variants to choose from. (I have in mind
choices like Scots "Edinburrie" ~ "Embra" ~ "Embro", and "Glesga" ~
"Glesca".) If official choices among existing variants were made, would this
be acceptable or unacceptable?

I have to admit that the information and Jonny's reaction leave me with more
questions than they answer.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron
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