LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (09) [E]

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From: "A. van der Ploeg" <antonpap at xs4all.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]

Hello,
In  the Frisian sandy district  (SE-part of the dutch province Fryslân) they
use to say "*kom gauris del*" (come soon downstairs)  when they invite
people to  visit them. In this context "del" means downstairs.

In Scandinavia they use the words "oppe"and "under" for people living north
or south from them,or if they go there or come from there.
Anton van der Ploeg

At 09:08 18-10-07 -0700, Lowlands-L List wrote:

From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
Subject: [LLL] usage

Hello all,

In my western US English, we use map references to refer to where we are or
where we're going. "I'm down in Mexico right now." "I hope to go up to
Phoenix for my birthday in November." "My aunt used to live back east."

Here in Mexico they really don't use those. You don't hear "Estoy aquí
arriba en Hermosillo". "Él es gringo y viene de Phoenix para abajo". They
just don't use it. What's the origin of these usages and how widespread are
they?
Ben

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]

From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
Subject: [LLL] usage

 Hello all,

In my western US English, we use map references to refer to where we are or
where we're going. "I'm down in Mexico right now." "I hope to go up to
Phoenix for my birthday in November." "My aunt used to live back east."

Here in Mexico they really don't use those. You don't hear "Estoy aquí
arriba en Hermosillo". "Él es gringo y viene de Phoenix para abajo". They
just don't use it. What's the origin of these usages and how widespread are
they?
Ben

In England there is the curious aberration (not so common these days) of
"going up to London".  As I've always argued, for about 80% of the country,
you're going down; down in altitude, down in latitude - and down in quality!
(OK, the last bit is a personal prejudice).

It was obviously something to with status, London being the capital etc.

But we still tend to go "up" to Scotland, "down" to Cornwall, and, for
Midlanders at least, "over" or "across" to Wales.

Paul Finlow-Bates

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From: Ulpi Alvarez <email at ulpialvarez.com>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]

From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
Subject: [LLL] usage

Hello all,

In my western US English, we use map references to refer to where we are or
where we're going. "I'm down in Mexico right now." "I hope to go up to
Phoenix for my birthday in November." "My aunt used to live back east."

Here in Mexico they really don't use those. You don't hear "Estoy aquí
arriba en Hermosillo". "Él es gringo y viene de Phoenix para abajo". They
just don't use it. What's the origin of these usages and how widespread are
they?
Ben

Hi there,

In Spain we do use 'subir' and 'bajar' for directions. I'd say 'voy a subir
a Barcelona' or 'me bajo unos días a Sevilla' instead of just 'voy a...'. I
live some 15kms east of Madrid city and I always say 'me bajo a Madrid'
whenever I'm going to town. My mother even says 'me subo a ver a María'
whenever she means she's going to visit my sister, who lives 200 metres
away; but it's completely flat, not uphill or anything. We even abuse both
verbs: 'me bajo abajo' and 'me subo arriba' are common language. It also
means 'to smuggle', so I'd say 'me bajo marihuana de Holanda' or 'me subo
hachís de Marruecos'. There's this expression 'bajarse al moro', which is
said when someone goes to Marocco and tries to smuggle drugs (or succeeds in
doing so) on the way back (not that I tried! :-))

Regards,

Ulpi

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From: R. F. Hahn < sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Idiomatica

¡Ulpi! ¡Qué sorpresa tan agradable! Te extraño.

Reinhard/Ron
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