LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.19 (04) [D/E]

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From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]

 However, it's used far less than it is in English. I wonder if the
frequency with which it is used in English has something to do with Britain
being an
island that is fairly narrow east-west but is fairly long north-south.

Possibly so. We don't use compass directions that religiously down in
Arizona, but we do use up for north and down for south as I said.
Unfortunately there are people who don't know what direction things are in
comparison to one another, and they'll say "I'm down in Oregon and you are
up in Arizona".
Ben

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From: Roland Desnerck <desnerck.roland at skynet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]

Beste Ron, hallo Lowlanders, jup Laiglangers,
About "up" and "down" ...
In onze Oostendse zeemanstaal:
No boovn voarn: naar het noorden (van de Noordzee, Vesterhav) varen. Ook:
hoge voarn (hoog varen).
No beneen voarn: naar het zuiden, naar de Vlaamse kust varen.
Hebben misschien wel te maken met land- of zeekaarten. Vele zeekaarten waren
nochtans met het zuiden naar boven!
De Oostendse naam voor de kaartenkamer aan boord is "tsjaatroem", dit is
natuurlijk het Engels "chart room" ...
Tussen haakjes beste Ben J.: ik heb ook even moeten denken aan "downtown"
...
Toetnoasteki.
Roland Desnerck uit Oostende, West-Vlaanderen.

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.19 (02) [E]

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Idiomatica

This is an interesting one, since practically every US American says "back
east" in reference to the west coast, even those that never lived there or
have living relatives there. This seems to show that there's nationally
shared, "ingrained" consciousness of European colonization having begun on
the east coast and the west being "new land."

Is this so in Canada as well?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

Although it's rare now, many Australians born in pre-WWII years once
referred to the UK as "home" even though many, perhaps most, had never been
there.

A combination of changing sense of identity in Australia, and the steady
loss of people of that age, has pretty well elimnated the habit.

Paul Finlow-Bates

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From: "heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk" <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.19 (02) [E]

Ron wrote
"My aunt used to live back east."

This is an interesting one, since practically every US American says "back
east" in reference to the west coast, even those that never lived there or
have living relatives there. This seems to show that there's nationally
shared, "ingrained" consciousness of European colonization having begun on
the east coast and the west being "new land."

Isn't this in line with saying 'back home' ?
"I'm going back home "     could be divided up as either    I'm going back /
home  or  I'm going / back home    certainly if the verb is omitted you
could reply:
"Where are you going this weekend?" " Back home"  instead of just "home"

What are you doing next year?
I'm going back to school.
Back to School!
Yup! back to the old grindstone and get some more qualifications.

It seems as tho' all these start off as complete sentences using ' to go
back':  when abbreviated, the verb is dropped and the preposition sticks to
the noun. This then spawns similar constructions - hence 'back east'

Heather

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