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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.19 (03) [D/E/Russian]

Hello all, Kevin says: Interesting. Any possible connection to Russian *ruki
*'arms/hands' (?things you reap or pluck with?)?

Funny, in Dutch "rukken" means to pull fiercely, to yank, and then there is
"rukwind" a sudden wind that does the same to the old tree or your patio
furniture. Jacqueline
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From: "heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk" <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.19 (03) [D/E/Russian]

Dear All who have replied to my query re Rugge

Thank you v v much indeed for all these ideas. I have saved them all so I
can refer to them later.

One new idea you have started off is the possibility that previous
etymologists might have leapt to the easy conclusion that this estate called
Rugge was connected with the (Martley/Abberly) Ridge that runs close by.

But the actual area where we can pinpoint this estate was in Saxon times (
we are fairly sure) woodland pasture. By the middle of the 13th century the
land was being settled and the land assarted from the remaining woodland and
doled out to large landowners in chunks of 30-60 acres and to smallholders,
the latter getting c 5 acres each.

One of these large chunks was the Rugge - and it could well be that it was
linked to the state of the land as it was reclaimed from the woodland.
i.ethe Rough

But what I still don't understand is why the same word should be retained as
Rugg's Place  (hard g), Ridgend ( soft 'dg') and also Pugh's Rough.

I take Ron's explanation that if the 'e' ending was lost early, Rugg's Place
would have not softened to 'dg' - unfortunately the medieval documents we
are reading consistently use 'Rugge'

Any more comments are gratefully rec'd.

best wishes

Heather [Randall]

PS just over the hill in the next Parish a Saxon 'Lacgburna' of 797ad which
I would have expected to softened to 'Layburn' remained as hard 'g' at least
into the 18th century where it appears on a map as Lagbourne and on the 1838
Tithe map some fields nearby are named Lagbonds. In another parish closeby
something similar appears as 'Laybrook' - which seems much more consistent.

Do we have a linguistic island here where sound shifts do not necessarily
take place?????
;-)

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