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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]
Joachim: I cant find any word *os((e)n) meaning hill, etc in Old Norse, but
of course that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
Diederik
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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]
Joachim: quick update, I suddenly realised I was stupid and forgot about the
modern Norewgian word ås meaning something like hill, of which the Old Norse
ancestor has to be found under the letter a:
*âs-s *
(3), an., st. M. (a): nhd. Bergrücken; E.: germ. *amsa-, *amsaz, st. M. (a),
Schulter, Rücken (M.); idg. *omesos, *omsos, M., Schulter, Pokorny 778; L.:
Vr
16b
Hope that helps
Diederik
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From: Wolfram Antepohl <wolfram at antepohl.se>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]
Dear Joachim!
To start with, let me thank you for currently being my most reliable input
concerning westphalian platt. In my Swedish "exile" it is not an easy task
to learn Westphalian (which I never learned to speak while still living in
my home town of Lüdenscheid in the Sauerland). Thanks to you and various
sources on the net I may still one day dare to write a few lines.
Concerning old Norse (and modern Scandinavian) however, the Swedish exile is
definitely helpful. And yes: Old Norse "os/as" definitely means
"hill/mountain" and the term is still used in the modern scandinavian
languages. The Swedish word is "Ås". The term indicates a hill or mountain
with vegetation even on the top - in contrast to "fjäll" which is above the
tree border (i.e. a rocky or even icy top). Hence, "os" ought to be adequate
for the "Teutoburger Wald". "A/aa/å" is even today the Scandinavian word for
"river" and is a very common element of settlement names. I think we
mentioned the "os" element in some British settleement names before (in the
"danelag" area).
I am wondering though, if "os" and "a" appear in any other Low Saxon
settlement names?
Greetings
Wolfram
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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]
Dear Reinhard:
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"
You say:
My legal first name Reinhard tends to be seen as derived from *Reginhard* or
*Raginhard* and tends to be explained as meaning 'strong counselor'. The
second part is the ancestor of "hard" and in early times meant 'strong',
'courageous' and the like.
It is about the first part (which you find in the name *Reginwald* >
Reginald as well) that I am still wondering:
Old English:*regnian* to put in order, to prepare
Old Saxon: (**ragan* >?) *regin* fate, decision, order, decree
Old German: *regin* fate, decision, order, decree
Old Norse: *regin* gods, council
Gothic: *ragin* determination, council, *ragineis* prescriptor, counselor, *
raginón* to rule
Germanic: **ragina-* council, decision
Indo-European: **rĕk-* ~ **rēk-* ~ **reĝ-* to order, to arrange...........
Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, additions?
Mark:
Please add (for general deluctation) an alternative root 'Rein':
Nederlands: *rein* clean, pure, innocent (fig).
&
Hoogduits: *rein*
Middelnederlands: *reine* / *rëne*
Latyns: *cernere* beslis, skei
Grieks: *krinen* beslis, sif, skei (laasgenoemde twee - algemene ouer
betekenis),
verder verbind met *krisis*, *kritiek*, *kritikus*, *kritiseer*
(Old Boshoff en Nienaber - Afrikaanse Etimologie)
Apart from that; to go off on a limb, if (purely in fun, I insist) I may
throw discretion to the winds & *'folk etymologise', extrapolating* *from*
Afrikaans: *lafhart* coward to
* reinhart* pure-hearted
I think I have you pinned down, Reinhart; heh, heh, heh.
Yrs,
Mark
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From: Jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.06 (01) [E]
Beste Reinhard,
you wrote:
My legal first name Reinhard tends to be seen as derived from *Reginhard* or
*Raginhard* and tends to be explained as meaning 'strong counselor'. The
second part is the ancestor of "hard" and in early times meant 'strong',
'courageous' and the like.
Why not go the direct way and presume 'rein' in the same sense as it
still has today as 'pure', 'clean'?
In GRIMM I found:
*REIN**, adj. und adv.*
*I. Form und verwandtschaft. *
*a) das wort ist gemeingermanisch: goth. hrains, ahd. hreini GRAFF 4, 1158,
alts. hrêni, altfries. rêne, altn. hreinn. altbezeugt ist das adj. doch wol
auch in der berühmten glosse der lex salica chrenecruda GRIMM rechtsalterth.
110. myth.4 534. KERN die glossen in der lex salica 109. im ags. mangelt die
entsprechung, hier hat schon früh clæne, engl. clean, ahd. chleini, mhd.
kleine das bedeutungsgebiet von rein an sich gezogen, ein vorgang, der auch
auf deutschem boden spurweise beobachtet wird (vgl. theil 5, 1088). aus dem
skandinavischen ist schwed.-lappisch raines, purus, norweg.-lappisch rainet,
purgare entlehnt (THOMSEN einflusz der germ. sprachen auf die
finnisch-lappischen 164). dem mhd. reine, rein entspricht mnd. reine und
rein, mnl. reene, reen und reyne, reyn. das nhd. rein findet sich
gleichlautend im nnl. KRAMER nieder - hochd. wb. 1, 312a, neunord. ren. die
monophthongisierte form rên oder rêne ist in der norddeutschen volkssprache
allgemein verbreitet.*
Couldn't _*Reinhard*_ be 'the pure-hearted' as well?
Allerbest!
Jonny Meibohm
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology
Thanks, Mark and Jonny.
What you suggest is in fact the common folk etymology of the name. But
apparently - I assume on the basis of documentation - it is incorrect.
Apparently, *regin* is at the root of various names, including *Reginwald* >
Reginald, Reinald, and *Reginhold* > Reinhold. It is also related to the
Scandinavian name Ragne, as well as Ragnar which in German is Rainer ~
Reiner, Rainier in French (from *ragin+heri*).
I just found out that my name day was last Friday.
"Pure/innocent heart" ... I wish!
Regards, and happy second Advent,
Reinhard/Ron
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