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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language history" 2008.01.18 (07) [E]

Hi Jacqueline:

Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"

Hi, Jacqueline, I have a cute book called 'Talk American' that refers to the
very phenomenon you describe, with Dutch Americans & indigenous meldings
with negro slave talk & native American languages - fascinating. & this
applies to a bit of colonial political this-for-that swopping both between
the Netherlands & Great Britain over The Dutch & British Carribean *incuding
* Guiana & Dutch & British North America.

Your last comment about immigration into America melds with Elsie's bit of
history. Actually what we had in this country from about 1652 to 1820 could
be better described as an 'anti-colony'. Lady Anne Barnard describes in her
diary of the first Brish occupation of the Cape after 1795 how hostile her
administration was to the very *notion *of settling
independant-minded colonists in the Cape. Those dastardly Americans, for
example - look what they did!

Jacqueline said:
There are some examples of Dutch based creoles in North America like "Black
Jersey  Dutch" , which was a mixture of Dutch, English and Mohawk. It was
still being spoken in some areas along the New York-New Jersey border at the
beginning of the 20th century by some people of mixed racial ancestry .

The other argument is that I have the impression that the English
immigration to America was much heavier and consisted mainly of farmers.
They were also more interested in the expansion of the Empire.  There was
less interaction with the local Indians and that the relationship between
settlers and the locals was much more painful.

Yrs,
Mark

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