LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.14 (03) [B/E]

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (03) [E/German]

Dear Ron & All:

Subject: Etymology
>> So I take it this *helling* and *hellen* are related to English "hill."

> If so, perhaps the original meaning was less "slope" than "be elevated."

Yes, Ron, & what about tyhe words 'Heil' & 'Heilige'? While terminology may
differ totally between language, metaphor differs rather less, & we all
raise up what we admire, however we express it.

Yrs,
Mark

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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Beste Ron,

You wrote:

So I take it this *helling* and *hellen* are related to English "hill."

If so, perhaps the original meaning was less "slope" than "be elevated."

"Hill" ultimately derives from *kel (to rise); but opinions on the PIE root
of "hellen" seem to be divided: some trace it back indeed to *kel as well,
but others favor a link with *klei, which produced words like "incline",
"decline", "recline", "clitoris", "climate", "climax", "to lean" and so
forth, all having a slope of some sort in common.

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: Maria Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (01) [A/D/E]

Hi all,

Thanks, Luc!

Very interesting.

Regards,
Elsie
>From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Beste Elsie

You wrote:

Ithought the origin of 'Hellinckx' might derive from theword 'helling' (A)
as in oppositeto a flat area, similar to name such as Van der Heuvel?

"Helling" and "hellen" (to slope) are natively not Southern Dutch;Kiliaan
(16th c.) already labelled them as typically Holl., which stoodfor
"Hollandish"; so I don't think my family name (attested well beforeKiliaan)
has any relation to a slope. Thanks for the hint though ;-) .

By the way, the Dutch word "helling", for a slip dock, entered Russianas
"éling" (shipyard).

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx
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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (05) [E]

Ah, 'talu' is neem 'k oan t woord wor as 'k nòr (achter?) òn 't zuuke was...
(baerg en helling zèn toch ni iëlegaens etzelfste)
And Ron, the OED proves you right as to the relationship hill/helling.
Scandinavian/Norwegian "hall", helling/slope. And besides hallende/hallande
and halling. skråning seems to be the most frequently used word though, in
written language at least (in my own experience).
Interesting is that this hall comes from hallr, stone. OED says the root
khel- is supposed to mean something like "to elevate", so I guess the
meaning "stone" is secondary. Another related word is "helle"/"hella", the
verb "to pour".

Diederik
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