LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.15 (02) [EN]

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From: Dick van Faassen faasco at gmail.com
 Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.15 (01) [EN]

Bilateral Javanese?
Should have been Bilingual.

Dick.

2012/8/15, Lowlands-L <lowlands.list at gmail.com>:
> involving both Afrikaans & the Far East *will* kick me up.
>
> Regarding 'Nooi':
>
> I'm not certain I don't hold with Ron in this matter. The jump from an
> initial 'D' to initial 'N' seems to me a bit of a stretch, & unnecessary,
> even a bit laboured. What Boshoff & Nienaber identified as Fries &
Chambers
> called Anglo Saxon, 'nonke' & 'nunna', along the Indo-European Line
appears
> to be more pertinant - it It is an old, old string in the language-line &
> owes nothing to the Latin 'Domina'; & moreover it starts with 'N'. I
recall
> another M E usage, I think, in which a girl-child is addressed as
'nunkin'.
>
> It often happens that the 'Lower Classes' are a tad more conservative in
> language & cultural matters that the more fashionable 'Upper Crust'.
> Afrikaans, I am told (aside from the 'baby-talk' aspects), strikes
> Nederlanders as rather Old-Fashioned. I'm sure the Slamaaiers are too
(only
> I trust 'Class' is no longer an issue).
>
> I think, & Ron could fill us in here, I suspect, that *if* 'Nonja'
> *isn't*native to the pre-Colonial "Javanese" tongue, it is then more
> likely a
> borrowing into the Batavian Trade Argot from the dialects of the North-Sea
> littoral of Europe rather than the Mediterranean/Romance regions.
>
> As for 'Baie' / 'Banjak':
>
> I can only report that my grandmother, with a basically 'Swartland',
> 'Riebeek-Wes' & 'Wellington' background, did not say 'baie' (as we
> Transvalers do), or 'banje', but something more like 'baing'.
>
> Thanks Ron, for that heart-stirring list of the root-stock of the Cape
> Slamaaier - most of whom, I might note, landed up here as political
> prisoners, for getting opstandig about being 'colonised' back Home. I
think
> the only ones excepted were the Balinese, who got 'incorporated' too late
> to join the rest, it being about 1900, & the Cape long since a British
> possession.
>
> All Yrs,
> Mark

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