The verb CEQUI in Karttunen's dictionary

[SASAKI Mitsuya]

John,

I agree. If we assume te:- for this "TE", the following "i" is correctly 
predicted. "Teicequiaya" here is used without any overt object noun, so 
the only possible interpretation of this verb would be 
te:(NonspecO)-(i)hcequia:-ya(IMPF),
the stem (i)hcequia: being a monotransitive applicative-like verb ending 
in -ia:, meaning kind of "toast (maize) for s.o."

Mitsuya SASAKI
The Department of Linguistics, the University of Tokyo
ll116003 at mail.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp

(2011/10/31 11:36), John Sullivan wrote:
> Mitsuya,
> 	I don’t think the te- is from tetl. This could only be the case if tetl is an incorporated noun working as an adverb of place, as in “to toast s.t. on a rock.” But this kind of incorporated adverb (of place) is very rare, or perhaps non-existent. I really think we‘re dealing with the applicative form of the verb, producing two objects. And the te- would then be the most animate of those objects, the human, non-specific object.
> John
>
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:12 PM, SASAKI Mitsuya wrote:
>
>> Piyali, Johntzine, Michaeltzine,
>>
>> Thanks. You made me realize that I underestimated how difficult this verb was, and I didn't notice that it resembles IUCCI.
>>
>> As you pointed out, the problem of this strange ending "-yaya" (or "ia:ya"?) remains even if we assume it's in the imperfect form.
>> I'm afraid that if "te" is the incorporated form of "tetl", this verb should have been "te-hcequi-..." without the "i", if this verb really has an epenthetic "i" and a saltillo.
>> In both cases, as John said, the valency and the ending are still problematic. It's also strange that this verb is used only infrequently in the text.
>>
>> Mitsuya
>>
>> Mitsuya SASAKI
>> The Department of Linguistics, the University of Tokyo
>> ll116003 at mail.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
>>
>> (2011/10/30 23:43), John Sullivan wrote:
>>> Piyali Mitsuya,
>>> I’m sure the reason “ihcequi” is not in Fran’s dictionary is that the
>>> word does not appear in the corpus upon which her work is based. Joe
>>> Campbell and I are at the Notre Dame STLILLA conference right now and
>>> I’m sure that sometime today (when he wakes up) he’ll post the
>>> attestations of “ihcequi” found in his corpus. I would just like to say
>>> two things. First, “ihcequi,” which is both intransitive and transitive,
>>> suspiciously resembles “iucci,” “for s.t. to ripen or be cooked.” both
>>> in sound and meaning, although the morphology is probably different. 2.
>>> the form “teihcequiaya” is very strange. What is that “te-”? Are we
>>> really dealing with an applicative form of “ihcequi” (ihcequia), having
>>> now two objects and conjugated in the imperfect“? The resulting
>>> “teihcequiaya” meaning “to toast it for someone”? Or are we dealing with
>>> the peripheral imperative suffix “yaya”? But then the verb would only be
>>> intransitive or transitive (with one object), so what would the “te-”
>>> refer to?
>>> John
>>>
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>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 4:58 AM, SASAKI Mitsuya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nocnihuane,
>>>>
>>>> Some of you might have noticed that the verb form CEQU(I) "to toast
>>>> something" in Karttunen's Analytical Dictionary doesn't have
>>>> corresponding entries in Molina's and Siméon's dictionaries.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, Molina and Siméon both have ICEQUI "to toast maize etc.",
>>>> probably "i" being an epenthetic vowel preceding a saltillo (IHCEQUI).
>>>> Andrews' Introduction (p. 70 in the rev. ed.) and Wimmer's Online
>>>> Nahuatl dictionary correctly contain IHCEQUI.
>>>>
>>>> Corresponding to this, you can find "teycequjaia" and "quiceqia" in
>>>> the Florentine Codex (Book 3, Ch. 11, p. 31 in Anderson&  Dibble
>>>> ver.), both with the meaning "to toast (maize)". The "y" in
>>>> "teycequjaia" can properly predicted by assuming the form IHCEQUI.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if it's Karttunen's error (I've yet to check her source,
>>>> Brewer&Brewer's Tetelcingo Nahuatl dictionary), but I thought I'd post
>>>> anyway in case someone gets in trouble while reading Nahuatl texts,
>>>> for Karttunen's dictionary doesn't contain IHCEQUI.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mitsuya SASAKI
>>>> The Department of Linguistics, the University of Tokyo
>>>> ll116003 at mail.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp<mailto:ll116003 at mail.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
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