"phute'okicu" and other new animals

[Clive Bloomfield]

Here is the Hebrew for :

JONAH 1:17 (KJV numbering);     2:1 (Hebrew Bible, LXX & Clem.  
Vulgate  numbering) :

  וַיְמַ֤ן יְהוָה֙ דָּ֣ג גָּדֹ֔ול  
לִבְלֹ֖עַ אֶת־יֹונָ֑ה

"Now the Lord had prepared a great fish [dag gadol] to swallow up  
Jonah." [KJV 1:17];

...κήτει μεγάλῳ   /kētei megalōi/  : (Dative Sg.  
Neut.)  : "lit.(to a) great sea-monster/whale" [LXX 2:1];

  "...piscem grandem"  : (Accus. Sg. Masc.) [Clem. Vulgate 2:1];
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and :

JONAH 2:1 (KJV);      2-2 (HB, LXX, ClemVulg.) :

וַיִּתְפַּלֵּ֣ל יֹונָ֔ה  
אֶל־יְהוָ֖ה אֱלֹהָ֑יו מִמְּעֵ֖י  
הַדָּגָֽה׃


"Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's [(ha) 
dagah] belly." [KJV 2:1];

...ἐκ τῆς κοιλίας τοῦ κήτους  /ek tēs koilias  
tou kētous/   :  "out of the belly of the sea-monster/whale" [LXX  
2:2] ;

"...de ventre (utero) piscis" [ClemVulg. 2:2]



Now lastly,


JONAH 2-10 (KJV);    2-11 (HB, LXX, ClemVulg.) :

וַיֹּ֥אמֶר יְהוָ֖ה לַדָּ֑ג  
וַיָּקֵ֥א אֶת־יֹונָ֖ה  
אֶל־הַיַּבָּשָֽׁה


"And the Lord spake (unto) the fish [(la)dag], and it vomited out  
Jonah." [KJV 2:10]

LXX : τῷ κήτει  /tōi kētei/  (Dat.Sg.N.) : "to the great sea- 
monster/whale" [LXX  2:11]

"pisci" (Dat. Sg. Masc.) : simply, "to the fish" [Clem.Vulgate 2:11]



BTW, Bruce, my Maltese friends tell me that , in their enchanting  
tongue also, ħuta (f.sg.)  [Two plurals (Determinate) ħutiet ;  
(Collective) ħut] is the usual word for fish.

Their word for whale is baliena. Not sure of plural there, prob.  
balienat, or balieniet.

But doubtless that is old news to you.


Anybody got the Dakota texts? Pretty please? :)

Clive.

P.S. Buechel's Roman Catholic German bible, (if he consulted one),  
would probably have been a version of the so-called (Johann)  
DIETENBERGER Bible of 1534, a sort of RC 'counterblast' to Luther's  
magnificent translation. Would that be correct Alfred?
I guess S.R. Riggs & co., as Protestant clergymen, might have checked  
the KJV (which they probably knew by heart, in any case!).



On 25/01/2008, at 3:39 AM, shokooh Ingham wrote:

> Interesting.  I wonder what it is in the original Hebrew.  In the  
> Quran Yunis (Jonah) is swallowed by huut (with pharyngeal -h-).   
> Nowadays this is the Arabic word for whale, but I doubt that the  
> 7th century Arabs were any more familiar with whales than the  
> Ancient Hebrews.  In Moroccan Arabic huut is the normal word for  
> fish.  One wonders however, if the whale is not intended in the Old  
> Testament, what they could have been thinking about.  After all a  
> whale is the only fish on earth, which one could imagine large  
> enough to swallow a man whole.  Could they have heard of whales  
> from those further afield?  Did it wait for the scriptures to reach  
> Northern Europe before it could be interpreted strictly as a whale?
> Bruce
>
>
>
> > As a matter of interest, in the OT story of Jonas & the Whale,  
> Buechel's Bible History Stories (1924) merely uses (p.127) : "HOGAN  
> TANKA" [= big fish] for the famous 'whale'.
>
>
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