Dakota cognate??

[Justin McBride]

I can't speak for Dakotan, Catherine, but to answer Bob's question, JOD does 
have a few KS entries that may be either cognate or at least somewhat 
related. In his personal names slips, he lists the female name Cú-ka mí 
[s^ókka miN] and the male name Cu-ká-mi [s^okkámiN], but offers only an 
unhelpful translation of the former, 'Cu-ka female.' In his dictionary slip 
file, there's also cú-ga [s^óga], which he defines as 'thick; dense.' I 
can't say for sure why KS would voice a stop that OP doesn't, though, so 
maybe that last one's not related after all, but the semantics seem to match 
up.

-jtm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: Dakota cognate??


No way.  But I've discovered that what Dorsey has at the bottom of many of 
his slips are not cognates in our technical sense of the word.  They should 
probably be called something like "equivalents".  For the other 3 or 4 
Dhegiha languages he almost always gives real cognates, and they're usually 
nearly identical.  Once he gets outside Dhegiha, all bets are off.  He gives 
a cognate if one was obvious to him, but otherwise he may just give some 
term with a similar meaning.

Is the O-P form "cuka" that you give here Dorsey's transcription?  In other 
words, is this [s^uka] or is it [c^uka], with a "ch" sound?  If it's "ch" 
then I'm wondering what a cognate in the other languages might look like. 
"Ch" generally doesn't occur before /u/, so I'm just curious.  Does he give 
Osage, Kansa or Quapaw cognates for it?

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
Sent: Mon 3/15/2010 2:59 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Dakota cognate??

Hi, guys -- I'm just entering some information from Dorsey slips for the 
Omaha and Ponca dictionary and ran across an odd-looking cognate. Does it 
make sense for optaye to be Dakota cognate for O-P cuka?

Catherine

here's a link to the slip image
http://omahalanguage.unl.edu/dictionary_images/ck/opd.01.088.08c.jpg