AW: Need Help From an ASL signer on the List...

Stefan Woehrmann stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Wed Feb 25 16:44:27 UTC 2004

Hi Stuart and list members ,

.... these what about -questions  led me to post my question for your support

I am interested to learn from ASL - users - what would you do if a group of
deaf and hearing (!!!!) joins and starts to sign/sing this birthday song -
probably nobody would feel bad if the signs would follow the rhythm of the
music but you have to decide how to sign these "concepts" ...

On the other hand I would love to see a chorus of DEAF ASL  signers with
their true DEAF ASL - interpretation .... if there is any ???
Sometimes Deaf love to follow the word order of the song as it is written
for the hearing ...

Same thing with your "happy birthday song" in German -  smile !!!

No there is no song like this in German instead - guess what -- all German
sing it the English way and feel happy to learn a foreign language...
Isn't it funny that your German teacher tried to perform a "true German
song" but - the German themselves would never sing it in German ...
Perhaps we can compare this with a ASL and  sign supported English version

Thank you very much for your feedback

Stefan ;-))

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: SignWriting List [mailto:SW-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA]Im Auftrag von
Stuart Thiessen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2004 03:24
Betreff: Re: Need Help From an ASL signer on the List...

I will be meeting with Philippe tomorrow. I'm hoping we can come up
with something for you on this. I know I've seen several different
variations on this with deaf Iowans. But you are right ... which sign
for birthday ... what about Dear ... what about "to you"?  Those are
interesting questions in my mind.

It reminds me of the time that I was in German class in high school ...
we sang it this way if I remember the spelling correctly. I only had
one year of German and no one to use it with, so my German isn't all
that great. I haven't thought about this in years. (Stefan, no laughing
now! <GRIN>)  I don't know if that is the traditional German song or my
German teacher's accomodation to American culture.  At any rate, it is
an interesting commentary on birthdays and culture for sure!

Frohen Geburtstag zu dir!
Frohen Geburtstag zu dir!
Frohen Geburtstag, lieber/liebe ________!
Frohen Geburtstag zu dir!

I'll be back with a more on-topic comment!  <GRIN>


On Feb 24, 2004, at 7:25 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> February 24, 2004
> On Feb 24, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Tini Pel wrote:
>> Birthday for you happy
>> Birthday for you happy
>> Birthday  you dear...........
>> Birthday for you happy.
>> Just a try,probably wrong, I'll hear about it I hope
>> Tini.
> ------------------
> Dear SW List and Tini!
> Ha! Thanks for this suggestion, Tini...You and I are both hearing
> people, and I am not native to ASL, so I hope a person who grew up with
> ASL will answer this too...
> But following your gloss above, Tini, I would not know how to write it
> in SignWriting. Which of the four signs for birthday would you choose?
> smile....and are you going to write pauses?...Usually in ASL there is a
> feeling to sections of sentences that require the writing of a short
> pause, or comma....I can show you later...I would think there would be
> a couple probably, but without seeing it signed, I would be afraid to
> write it...
> And how would you sign "DEAR"?....People told me in the past that ASL
> doesn't really have a sign for DEAR...using LOVE is a hearing person's
> interpretation...
> So now, I hope someone will post some SignWriting in ASL and give us an
> ASL grammar lesson - we can use it!
> Val ;-)
> ------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Need Help From an ASL signer on the List...
>>> SignWriting List
>>> February 24, 2004
>>> Dear SW List Members:
>>> A few weeks ago, Stefan in Germany asked if someone could write the
>>> "Happy Birthday Song" in ASL for us, in SignWriting? I am not an
>>> expert
>>> on ASL, and if I wrote it, the ASL signs would be in English
>>> word-order, and we all know that is not true ASL...
>>> So Stuart, or Adam, or any other ASL signer on the List....I am
>>> writing
>>> to ask a favor....
>>> Can you write "Happy-Birthday-To You" in ASL grammar for us?
>>> Type it in SignWriter DOS and post the sentence to the List. If you
>>> cannot make a graphics file yourself, then send the SGN file to me
>>> and
>>> I can convert it for you. Or you can do it yourself, by exporting the
>>> file in SignWriter DOS. That will create a BMP. Send me the BMP
>>> (smile)....
>>> I hope someone will respond!
>>> I am very curious myself (smile)...
>>> Val ;-)

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