[sw-l] SWML questions and comments

Wed Oct 13 17:08:25 UTC 2004

Stuart,

   Sure, good idea! The SWML site is certainly open for it:

        http://swml.ucpel.tche.br

   I'll create a page there for each official dialect, and display the
two versions of the SWML/UCPel in its page.

   Perhaps we can choose a set of simple signs to add people recognize
how each sign is represented in each dialect?

   All the best,

   Antônio Carlos

Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> I am wondering if all the SWML dialect DTD's could be posted to the
> SignWriting Software forum (or some other centralized location) so that
> everyone has a chance to review the different dialects. When someone is
> considering a SWML project, they can review the latest DTD's from each
> dialect to see what fits them the best? That might also keep the outside
> community aware of our standards in case someone from the outside
> decides to start a project involving SignWriting.
>
> If each team could post the DTD and any relevant documentation to the
> forum, then that will help all of us to see what is available. Perhaps
> documentation can be kept simple if we based all documentation off the
> original DTD and then other teams can simply note their
> differences/variations? If a team has already created some kind of
> conversion routine between their dialect and another dialect, that might
> also be helpful to post.
>
> Just a thought. This kind of information can keep us from reinventing
> the wheel.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:20, Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa wrote:
>
>> Hello Siguno,
>>
>>   I've had had no time to follow the list as close as I would like, so
>> I'm not really acquainted with what you are doing. But I will try to
>> update my knowledge.
>>
>>   Concerning SWML and SWML-S: in the beginning, I thought it would be
>> possible to have one single format for SWML, taking care of all
>> applications. For many reasons (including creative energy from
>> programmers that want to extend SWML with special features suitable
>> for their immediate needs) it came out that it was impossible to make
>> everybody stick to one single SWML format.
>>
>>   So, in agreement with several programmers, we decided to introduce
>> the notion of "dialects" for SWML. The idea is that if such dialects
>> do not differ too much from each other, so that they could be easily
>> translated among them, it would no be a real problem to have small
>> different file formats for SWML.
>>
>>   Thus, SWML/UCPel is my original version of SWML. SWML/D is the
>> dialect for the Belgian dictionary. SWML/S is Puddle's dialect. Each
>> dialect is maintained by its own programming team. So questions about
>> each dialect should be directed to the respective team.
>>
>>   Regarding SWML/UCPel, the DTD on the page is not the most recent
>> one. The most recent one is that used in the SW-Edit program. It's not
>> available on-line, but I can send it to you, if you need it.
>>
>>   All the best,
>>
>>   Antônio Carlos
>>
>>
>> Signuno wrote:
>>
>>> Dear signwriting list (and blind cc to w3
>>> international),
>>> Earlier I explained about how
>>> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.js
>>> converts simple HTML with glosses into SW images.
>>> Now I just wrote
>>> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/signoskriben.xml
>>> which is XSLT to convert SWML(-S?) into SW images. It's my first ever
>>> XSLT :-)
>>> So I wrote a simple SWML(-S?) page at
>>> http://www.geocities.com/signuno/swml_kontrolo.xml
>>> and when I surf to it with a very modern good browser
>>> (Explorer for example) it displays fine!
>>> Okay, some questions and comments.  What's the
>>> difference between SWML and SWML-S, and why the funny
>>> version S-1.0 instead of 1.0?  Is the DTD at
>>> http://swml.ucpel.tche.br/ the most recent?
>>> Using encoding="ISO-8859-1" is deprecated style,
>>> encoding="UTF-8" is to be recommended.
>>>
>>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>
>>>>>  <swml version="s-1.0" language="asl"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tranlation="english">
>>>
>>> language="asl" - should that be lang="SGN-US", or
>>> signlang="SGN-US", or maybe xml:lang="SGN-US"? Language is like
>>> javascript, lang is human language I
>>> think.  I guess we've decided on the Everson codes
>>> (I'm still waiting on a reply about SGN-EO versus
>>> SGN-epo versus SGN-signuno).
>>> What's translation="english" - is that the language of
>>> the glosses - should it be translation="en-US", or
>>> maybe glosslang="en-US"?  The signs could be ASL, and
>>> the glosses French, yes?
>>> <sign gloss="good?"> is okay for English, but if the
>>> gloss is in Japanese with RUBY or Arabic with BIDI,
>>> the SWML will be broken.  You need:
>>> <sign><gloss>good?</gloss>
>>> You should also allow the glosses to be multilingual:
>>> <sign><gloss xml:lang="en">good?</gloss><gloss
>>> xml:lang="fr">bon?</gloss><gloss
>>> xml:lang="eo">bona?</gloss>
>>> Thanks for listening to my ideas,
>>> "Signuno".
>>>
>>>>>    <sign gloss="good?">
>>>>>      <symbol x="8"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> y="24">01-05-011-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>>
>>>>>      <symbol x="5"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> y="0">03-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>>
>>>>>      <symbol x="27"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> y="36">02-05-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>>
>>>>>      <symbol x="4"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> y="64">08-04-006-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>>
>>>>>      <symbol x="24"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> y="16">08-01-001-01-01-01</symbol>
>>>>
>>>>>    </sign>
>>>>>  </swml>
>>>
>>> See also
>>> http://w3.org/International/
>>> http://signwriting.org/
>>> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/sw-l.html
>>> http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso639/iana-lang-assignments.html
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Antônio Carlos da Rocha Costa
>> Escola de Informática - UCPel
>>
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Antônio Carlos da Rocha Costa
Escola de Informática - UCPel