AW: [sw-l] in-between

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
August 19, 2005

Yes, I do agree that brush and rub need arrows more than other  
contact stars...and Brush-Brush alone does not tell you the  
direction...But there was a day when people wrote arrows down-down  
for touch-touch...but we learned through experience that the arrows  
were not necessary...so Brush-Brush might evolve into something that  
people can read - perhaps a part of the more similified writing for  
informed readers...I was just trying to explain why I would not have  
two in-between symbols, that's all! All of these writing conventions  
develop over time...I suspect for the sign for SKOLA that the  
inbetween alone, with the arm and shoulders, would be read too! How  
many signs are under the armpit? smile...if there are a lot then you  
would have to have the arrows to read it...smile...never mind...let  
me get back to the circles lesson...I will be teaching NEW symbols  
for SignWriting...but some of the oldest symbols in the entire  
writing system...circles for the shoulder or hips...plus elbows/knees  
and wrist/ankles...smile...So look for the lesson tomorrow...Val ;-)


On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Ha Valerie – I do not agree – smile –
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> „So Nana's name sign could be written with two brushes and no  
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> well – I bet that this is possible ( smile) but brush needs an  
> arrow because otherwise you are not informed – brush yes – ok. but  
> what direction? down, forward, up ...
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> You agree ?
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> Stefan ;-))
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> Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw- 
> l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. August 2005 19:34
> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] in-between
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> SignWriting List
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> August 19, 2005
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>> On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>> From the video, the movement itself goes into the armpit three  
>>> times.
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>>> That would be in-between 3 times to me.
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> I wasn't able to see the video...It was in a format I am not setup  
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> But regarding writing so many symbols....that is a lot of detail  
> for everyday use...I really think a simpler spelling should be  
> found for the sign for SCHOOL, which is a commonly written sign...I  
> would think one in-between would be enough for reading the sign  
> quickly for those who already know the sign...
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> I personally only use the double-inbetweens when there are no other  
> movement symbols involved...imagine if you wanted to show inbetween- 
> inbetween but with no other movement arrow...then the doubles are  
> useful...but when you have movement arrows involved anyway, one  
> inbetween is enough for reading for everyday use...because the  
> double arrows take care of the double movement, and it is assumed  
> that both movements come from an in-between...
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> Same thing for double brushes, versus single brushes...like with  
> Nana's name sign...why write two brush symbols and two arrows, when  
> one brush with two arrows still gives the same information? So  
> Nana's name sign could be written with two brushes and no arrows,  
> or one brush and two arrows, but why two brushes and two  
> arrows?...That is too much information for a sign that you write  
> everyday at the end of letters written by hand to friends! It gets  
> discouraging to write by hand, with so much detail... (see number 2  
> in the attached)...It is not that either is wrong, it is just a  
> hope that we can simplify spellings a little....
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Val ;-)

Valerie Sutton
Sutton at SignWriting.org

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