Surface symbols

CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US
Thu Dec 15 19:06:09 UTC 2005

How do I delete it?  I have customize, load, search, and copy as options. 
I loaded and cleared, but then couldn't 'save changes' any way I could 
see, other than 'add to dictionary.' 

Cherie Wren
GSD Staff Interpreter
232 Perry Farm Rd
Cave Spring, GA 30124
706-766-0766 Cell

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Re: [sw-l] Surface symbols

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December 15, 2005

Cherie from Georgia, USA wrote:
We use several different variations here...  the top 'open C' hand moving 
down twice onto the lower flat hand, the single pull pack with both hands 
moving together: both  are used, but more common is sort of a double 
shake...  I had to sign it several times to figure out that it actually 
moves down and =forward= a little.  Would I use the diagonal plane symbols 
for that, or not because it could be understood without them? Val. I like 
your variation.  I can see both handshapes clearly.  If the grasp symbol 
is used, you wouldn't need the surface symbol, right?  The 'old' spellings 
had the grasp symbol, but they had the two handshapes overlapping... 
 that's why I thought the surface symbol might be better in that instance.

Hello Cherie and Philipe -
This is also very interesting news...You have seen all three variations of 
the sign for ENGLISH!

Yes, I feel the Grasp Symbol is essential to the meaning of the sign, 
which I believe stands for holding a cane, as people do in England. So if 
you agree with me, perhaps you can delete the number 3 one in the ASL 
SignPuddle, and rename my fourth English_3....Do you know how to 
do that, Cherie? Go to Dictionary Editors, login with your password, and 
find English and do the editing...The Refresh button on your browser will 
help you see the changes you make after you are done...

Regarding the overlapping symbols...I know what you mean...that happened 
because we have a Spelling Rule called "Always Write the Position of 
Contact"...have you read that rule in the eLessons? Generally we try to 
write the position the way it looks in real life, but on the other hand, 
if it is really unreadable of course we can separate the hands a little 
like my last attempt...but anyway...that is why that happened.

This is good that you are learning all these issues so quickly!

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