[sw-l] Translation requested in ASL...

[Adam Frost]

Thank you.
Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: "Kimberley A. Shaw" <kshaw at wellesley.edu>
Date: 03/16/05 06:17 AM
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Cc: "Sign List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: [sw-l] Translation requested in ASL...

You have my complete admiration! For a chorus, I once ended up singing (in
Hebrew, which I have very basic grasp of) at the same as signing good ASL,
and the cognitive dissonance of singing one word while signing another
drove me nuts -- could *barely* do so at all.
Best,
Kim from Boston

sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu writes:
>Really interesting discussion! This is an issue that I run into a lot.
>(FYI, I am a Deaf musician. I would love to make this my line of work and
>life, but time won't allow at the moment.)
>I personally am a strong advocate for using pure ASL. (Some call me a
>pureist. HA!) I have performed many songs (including "What a Wonderful
>World") in ASL while singing the English. Yes! I said sing. A lot of
>people have gotten into arguements on whether I am Deaf or not because I
>sing so well. The latest song I did was the "Star-Spangle Banner" for one
>of my classes in ASL while singing English. There wasn't a dry eye in the
>room. :-)
>So, I wouldn't mind helping with the translation, but I don't know if
>time will permit me now. I will see and let Louise know. ;-)
>ADAM ;-D
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Trevor Jenkins" <trevor.jenkins at SUNEIDESIS.COM>
>Date: 03/15/05 11:09 AM
>To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Translation requested in ASL...
>
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org> wrote:
>
>> So to continue the discussion, I've never actually seen a genuine BSL
>> song being performed along with the English words, only signs in the
>> order of the words, regardless of BSL grammar.
>
>I sign songs in church quite regularly; typically once a month
>occasionally more frequently.
>
>The problem is whether to do BSL or (what Shane might call) BSL with a
>London accent that is with loads of English lip. ;-)
>
>> Are the English words discarded? Is the music discarded? Or is one group
>> responsible for English and another for the signed language? Or are
>> there people who can sing and sign together even though the word order
>> doesn't match?
>
>It depends upon the audience as much as the song. Some want songs in SSE
>some want BSL. When you get both groups in front of you it can be very
>difficult. My personal style is to sign in BSL and then lip the English
>lyrics.
>
>There is a major problem with the English. Although my church doesn't use
>hymns very often --- if it means anything to you Matt Redman used to be
>our worship director --- we tend to have the latest songs. All very nice
>but ... sometimes the original English words can appear meaningless and I
>don't just mean in the modern stuff. For example, how many of you have see
>an panoply recently; yet it is mentioned in a very popular Victorian hymn.
>
>Regards, Trevor
>
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