facial expressions

[Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa]

Val,

im in Northern Europe myself :-)

When Stef gave his talk on the "mouth patterns" at last year's ESWS,
several participants disagreed with him in private and came to me
about it - i had to explain that at Stef's school, they have a strong
oral policy where children are encouraged to use their Spoken German
and Stef cannot go and rebel against the system or he ll lose his job
:-)

you can be assured that facial expressions are very important to us
all over Europe.

Its just that many non-deaf professionals have failed to put the
stress on the facial expressions - that 80% of the language is in your
face - and I am glad youre one of the few non-deaf professionals who
realises how important the facial expressions are to one's signed
language :-)

Shane



On 08/07/06, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> July 8, 2006
>
> Thank you, Erika, Stefan and Ingvild!
> This is good to know...you never know because I do get some people
> complaining privately about too much email and I certainly respect
> that too...but hopefully people can learn how to filter their email
> so only some messages that they really are interested in, will be
> there for them..smile...
>
> Yes...the issues of facial expressions are fascinating because the
> native Deaf who were writing our first long documents by hand back in
> the 1980's chose different facial expressions than a lot of linguists
> would have assumed...and then in the 1990's Darline and Kevin and
> Dave all did the same and so I feel there is something to this...
>
> On the other hand I also can see, because Stefan and Ingvild educated
> me to this fact, that northern Europe might be different...so we
> cannot make a blanket statement that all countries or all cultures,
> or even all documents within one culture, will choose the same facial
> expressions...I believe it may be quite varied depending on the
> purpose of the document...documents can be targeted to different
> audiences...smile...
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:24 PM, eghoffma at UMICH.EDU wrote:
>
> > I just wanted to also note that I find these discussions
> > fascinating. It's so interesting to watch different ideas about
> > literacy and script emerge. For example, I've been following the
> > discussion about facial expression and audience with great interest
> > so I'd hate to lose the chance to observe the editing of Jack and
> > Jill.
> > Best,
> > Erika
> >
> > Quoting Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>:
> >
> >> Hi Valerie and listmembers,
> >>
> >> I am sorry to tell you that I feel surprised to read this message.
> >>
> >>> From my point of view it would be a pity to miss these fruitful
> >>> discussions
> >> which will lead to some kind of spelling agreement. And it is very
> >> much this
> >> process that goes along with creating a new published document.
> >> While you
> >> are discussing I myself try to solve the problem my way or try to
> >> figure out
> >> what might probably look different in the end ... So this reading
> >> of these
> >> editing - messages are a great opportunity to learn!!
> >>
> >> I guess that other sw-list members follow these discussions with
> >> great
> >> attention and interest as well.
> >>
> >> So all I can tell - I am still very much interested to develop a
> >> higher
> >> level in spelling, and SignText Editing and creating documents
> >> with other
> >> programs compared to SW44 --
> >>
> >> The number of emails should not be a critical aspect since anybody
> >> could
> >> press the delete button so quickly if he is not interested in this
> >> message -
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you think?  Can you change your mind?
> >>
> >> Stefan ;-))
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von
> >> Valerie Sutton
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 18:51
> >> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >> Betreff: [sw-l] Editing SignWriting Literature, email overload and
> >> schedules
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> SignWriting List
> >> July 7, 2006
> >>
> >> Dear SW List Members!
> >> I can see how much email we all have. It has increased lately.
> >> Sometimes the List works well. Sometimes email is lost. Lots of
> >> information is flowing, but just like computers, our brains can
> >> become clogged too!
> >>
> >> I am going to try to manage better now...so that all our work with
> >> SignWriting is more peaceful...
> >>
> >> Cherie and I can edit her work off the List now, privately. That way,
> >> we can finish the stories quietly and post them as finished stories
> >> on the web for all of you to read and enjoy...
> >>
> >> If others want me to edit your work, I am happy to do it too,
> >> privately off the List...I am creating a calendar with my
> >> schedule...so you can see when I can schedule working with you in the
> >> future...
> >>
> >> I will always be here, and you are welcome to post anytime...and I
> >> hope you will!
> >>
> >> And questions about spellings are excellent...I am only taking the
> >> editing of literature offline, to lessen the email load...
> >>
> >> Have a wonderful weekend everyone!
> >>
> >> Val ;-)
> >>
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-- 
Shane Gilchrist Ó hEorpa D.D.
Sign Language Centre Belfast Trust
15 Church Street
Belfast BT1 1PG
Northern Ireland