Cat in the Hat 1and adding new symbols

CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US
Fri Jul 6 12:36:09 UTC 2007

Regarding ALL-DAY:  I wrote that differently in another place...This 3/4 
circular arrow has the right feel for the movement, and for this instance, 
it is signed smaller than the one from the first section.  The first one, 
that you cited, would need a bigger arrow, which is why I originally went 
with the construction work. I toyed with combining several smaller arrows, 
but did this instead. 

Regarding adding/not adding new symbols
 I understand the desire to keep the symbol set smaller and more 
manageable, but I would prefer to have all the symbols I need, and not use 
those I don't need, than not have one I need.  Minor changes in movement 
have large impact on meaning, in some cases.  Theses two instances are 
technically the same sign, but there is a different meaning conveyed by 
the larger arrow.  In the one with the 3/4 arrow, mom is gone -all day-. 
In the constructed one, we have to sit in the house -ALL bloody long, 
boring day-.  I probably should have included a 'slow' symbol in the 
constructed one, opposite the fast, because that fast start/slow finish 
also adds to the meaning of long and boring...  I will go back and add it. 

At some point (waaaaay in the future) it might help to separate out 
symbols into language sets, to help with what Stefan sees as the problem 
that with too many symbols no one but specialists will understand them 
all.  Then I wouldn't have to puzzle out strange handshapes that I can't 
even make my hands do...  ::grin::  The IPA isn't used to write 
newspapers, and while I'm sure all those IPA symbols must somehow be 
type-able from my computer keyboard-- I don't know how to do it.  I have 
the ones I need to write my language easily accessible, and I know where 
they all are. I would guess computer keyboards in German or French have 
symbols easily accessible that mine does not, because your languages have 
symbols that mine does not; umlauts, accents and such.  Some of the things 
on the SignPuddle interface, to be honest, I have no clue what they are, 
and I can't always remember under which arrow the certain kind of rotation 
I am looking for hides.  But I think limiting the symbol set for the sake 
of simplicity limits what I can  'type' in SW.  Most of the time, sure, I 
can use a simpler arrow and it won't affect what I am trying to 
communicate, but there will be some times where I just flat out have to 
have that bigger arrow, or that angled rotation, or meaning is lost.  I 
can write in simpler English too, but sometimes I prefer to pull out the 
fancy words so I can capture that subtle nuance...  ::grin:: 

So, Stefan, I respectfully disagree.  I think limiting the symbol set 
simply for the sake of keeping numbers (and thereby confusion) down is a 
mistake in the long run.  I think if it becomes necessary, then separating 
out the symbols used in one Sign Language from those used in others will 
be a more effective way to do the same thing. ( Even though that really 
effects handshapes more than movements.)


Cherie Wren
GSD Staff Interpreter
232 Perry Farm Rd
Cave Spring, GA 30124
706-766-0766 Cell

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Hi Cherie!
I have now read Cat in the Hat 1...It is really good...

My feedback on two signs:

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