ISWA Thumb Standardization?

[Valerie Sutton]

Hello Stefan -
How would you lose options? You are always welcome to continue to  
write just as you wish!

We are just talking about one symbolset called the ISWA...and this is  
just an intellectual discussion to get a perspective on how people  
feel about things...I cannot work on an island...I need people's  
feedback, but there is nothing to fear....

Obviously you are always welcome to continue to use SignWriter DOS,  
which will always continue to have the symbolset it has right  
now...and you can write however you wish in your books and writings...

What is more, I probably won't do this...we are just talking about an  
idea...the Parkhurst book changed the symbols, and it is good for me  
to know how other people feel about those changes...

So the ISWA is simply the symbols that are going to be in SignPuddle,  
but you could construct any kind of handshape in SignPuddle too, if  
you don't like the handshapes in there right now...of course the  
constructed handshapes would not sort by SSS, but still you have the  
freedom to put a straight finger on a handshape instead of one at an  
angle if you wish...

So no need for fear...all is well...

I am tired myself, and the idea of changing all those thumbs to match  
the Parkhurst book is an exhausting idea anyway, and i am happy to  
hear that Stuart feels that it looks better to have the relaxed  
fingers from our original symbols...I will answer Stuart's message  
next..there is a solution to the A handshape, Stuart, without me  
changing all the other thumbs ;-)

Mainly just know that there is no fear to any of this...The ISWA is  
not God ;-))) It is only one symbolset out of a huge system!

And I am totally pleased to realize that you chose the Sutton  
handshapes in your beautiful book, Stefan...

There are several changes that the Parkhurst book put forth...and I  
know you like some of them...but changing thumbs was not one of them,  
so that is good for me to know...

Thanks for your feedback!

And never feel fear again...;-)

Val ;-)


On Nov 17, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Hi Valerie,
> I am so sorry but I do not understand this discussion.
> Perhaps I feel frightened to loose some options ...
>
> Stefan ;-)
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von  
> Valerie Sutton
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. November 2007 00:39
> An: SignWriting List
> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] ISWA Thumb Standardization?
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> SignWriting List
> November 17, 2007
>
> On Nov 17, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>> One other possible inconsistency ... There is also the one odd
>> instance like the handshape for the ASL "A" which has the thumb
>> "out" but it really means the thumb flush to the side of the hand.
>> That is another inconsistency that occurs with the thumb in the
>> "relaxed" position.
>>
>> I personally think it is a good idea to keep symbols having a
>> consistent meaning because it makes it easier to learn the system.
>> Once you see a finger symbol used in one place, you can assume it
>> has the same meaning on other handshapes. Now is a good time to
>> make those types of consistency changes with the publication of the
>> ISWA. I know it means a lot of work on this side of things, but I
>> think it would mean less work on the other side of things.
>>
>> If the straight line means thumb out to the side, then maybe the
>> thumb as it is in the ASL "A" handshape can be used to say thumb
>> flush to the side of the fist?
>
>
> So you would choose the Parkhurst thumbs for "to the side" but keep
> the A as it is?
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