Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...

Valerie Sutton signwriting at MAC.COM
Mon Dec 1 19:30:58 UTC 2008 

SignWriting List
December 1, 2008

Hello Andre and Adam!

Many thanks for telling us...and thank you, Adam, for fixing our web  
pages...I am so happy it got resolved so easily!

And enjoy the Animated GIFs, Andre!

Val ;-)

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:

> Hi Adam, Val and everyone,
>
>     Adam and Val, thanks for changing the color background.
>
>     Everything is fine.
>
>     Hand waving
>
>     André
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Frost
> To: SignWriting List
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>
> You should be able to see the symbols now. :-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>
>> Hi Val, Adam and everyone,
>>
>>     Yes, I can see both animated GIFs and hand symbols.  But, I  
>> don't know if I can see a group directory color.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     André
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Valerie Sutton
>> To: SignWriting List
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> November 30, 2008
>>
>> Thank you, Adam. This is excellent information...thank you for  
>> researching this.
>>
>> Andre...I just changed the color background on one page...can you  
>> see this animation?
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html
>>
>> It now has a blue background...
>>
>> If that doesn't work, can you tell me what color the background  
>> should be so you can see it?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> -------
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, Andre has more vision than the Deaf-Blind student I work  
>>> with. She can't see anything except general light and dark.  
>>> Nothing in between. But I have other friends who have the similar  
>>> vision that Andre seems to have, so I know what needs to be done.
>>>
>>> I agree that the Mac works best, but gotta make due with what we  
>>> have. :-)
>>>
>>> Unfortunately after I mimicked the screen that Andre was seeing, I  
>>> realized that he could only see my hands in the GIFs and not the  
>>> symbols as well as the symbols in the group directory. This is  
>>> because Windows makes the background black and text white. It  
>>> doesn't change the image color. So basically because we have a  
>>> transparent background in our GIFs and pngs, the background  
>>> becomes black. Since the symbols' outlines are black, all that can  
>>> be seen are the white palm facings.
>>>
>>> I haven't found a solution yet, but I am working on it.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> November 30, 2008
>>>>
>>>> Hello Andre and Adam...
>>>> Thanks for your messages...I had hoped Adam, you would know what  
>>>> to do, since you interpret for Deaf-Blind, maybe you knew about  
>>>> web sites for your friends who are Deaf-Blind...but actually I  
>>>> realize that doesn't necessarily follow...
>>>>
>>>> And for Mac users it is much easier...the Mac can reverse the  
>>>> entire screen and the reversal is not dependent on any one web  
>>>> browser or kind of software...it is built into the operating  
>>>> system...
>>>>
>>>> But Andre is on Windows and in Windows it depends on the web  
>>>> browser I believe...
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I can guess is that the images for the symbols  
>>>> that i used to create the links to the Animated GIFs...those  
>>>> images in the group directories for each symbol have a  
>>>> transparent background...maybe if I make the pngs with a white  
>>>> background, then when Andre reverses his web browser to see a  
>>>> negative of the images it will be able to reverse properly...I  
>>>> will try that later this week Andre...
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile I am happy you can see the Animated GIFs  
>>>> themselves...that is all that really matters!
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>> ----------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Val,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I tried to look at the front page of signwriting.org.  I  
>>>>> clicked on Lessons.  I cannot see black backgrounds (hand groups  
>>>>> and hand symbols).
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>     André
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>>> Cc: Adam Frost
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and  
>>>>> 3...
>>>>>
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> November 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre -
>>>>> The animated GIFs are Adam's, and the web pages were my  
>>>>> design...so this has nothing to do with Steve's software...Are  
>>>>> you asking us to create a special web page for Deaf-Blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam - Can you help us with this? I need to write some grants so  
>>>>> we all have money to work...smile...
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we need to do a web site that is reversed like a  
>>>>> negative versus a positive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you view other web pages of mine, Andre? Like the front page  
>>>>> of signwriting.org? Can you see that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I would like to inform you that I cannot see all black  
>>>>>> backgrounds Ihand groups and hand symbols).  I can see only  
>>>>>> animated GIF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     André
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>>>> Cc: Adam Frost
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>> November 30, 2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in  
>>>>>> Group 1, Group 2 and Group 3...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Group 3 is around one-third completed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISWA Animated GIFs Hands
>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated  
>>>>>> handshapes with palm facing changes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the  
>>>>>> navigation arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch  
>>>>>> them in succession....one handshape after the other!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use  
>>>>>> these handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the  
>>>>>> animated GIFs...some have some signs already...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I  
>>>>>>> created. It isn't preatty yet because there is still some  
>>>>>>> working being done, but it is here none the less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/ 
>>>>>>> group02/01-02-004-01.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that  
>>>>>>>> you have a handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking  
>>>>>>>> in real world sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an ASL  
>>>>>>>> equivalent to the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a  
>>>>>>>> life work. *wink*), I have made the same observations that  
>>>>>>>> you have just made. I have also noticed that it is rare for  
>>>>>>>> native users to realize that they have their hands the way  
>>>>>>>> that you have just described. This is the reason that the ASL  
>>>>>>>> Puddle, which is a collaborative dictionary, usually has the  
>>>>>>>> first set. The other reason is that most people can read the  
>>>>>>>> first set easier than the latter. ;-) The reason I mention  
>>>>>>>> this is if and when I were able to create and ASL Webster- 
>>>>>>>> like dictionary, then there would be something about this in  
>>>>>>>> the usage or pronunciation guide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the  
>>>>>>>> students. But if I were teaching a class that I felt could  
>>>>>>>> handle it, I would include both in the lessons and tell them  
>>>>>>>> that the first set is more of a novice way of signing as well  
>>>>>>>> as the visual image of how a native internally imagines their  
>>>>>>>> signing but are actually doing it the second way. The reason  
>>>>>>>> is in order to do the first set the elbow has to be in an  
>>>>>>>> awkward position or the wrist has to be painfully bent,  
>>>>>>>> whereas the latter set does not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-)  
>>>>>>>> If you want to have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are  
>>>>>>>> more than welcome to add them. In fact, I think it is better  
>>>>>>>> to have both of them so that people can compare. As for your  
>>>>>>>> second question, I have been creating GIFs of all of the  
>>>>>>>> current handshapes. Because of everyone being swamped with so  
>>>>>>>> many projects, it is coming along very slowly. I have done  
>>>>>>>> these handshapes that you have mentioned, but I don't know if  
>>>>>>>> they have been put up on the website yet. I am not sure  
>>>>>>>> exactly why you are asking because you do understand it just  
>>>>>>>> fine. I am also surprised that there isn't anything about the  
>>>>>>>> latter set of handshapes on the website. I just find that  
>>>>>>>> odd. So I will check to see if my GIFs are on the website or  
>>>>>>>> not. If not, maybe I can figure something out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest  
>>>>>>>> because I never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions.  
>>>>>>>> It is the way to learn. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST
>>>>>>>>> To: "SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings SW colleagues,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am  
>>>>>>>>> debating which handshapes to use in my presentation.  The  
>>>>>>>>> ASL signpuddle dictionary cites:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <symbol.php>   and   <symbol.php>   as the handshapes for  
>>>>>>>>> "stand" and "look-at" respectively.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using  
>>>>>>>>> them as classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or  
>>>>>>>>> looking-at, I see the following actual handshapes used:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <symbol.php>  and  <symbol.php>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of  
>>>>>>>>> Handshape group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes,  
>>>>>>>>> although I do understand them to mean index and middle  
>>>>>>>>> fingers bent slightly at the proximal knuckle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First question...  Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need  
>>>>>>>>> to be updated as written for these concepts?  To keep the  
>>>>>>>>> fingers straight requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder  
>>>>>>>>> and elbow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second question... is there an updated lesson book or  
>>>>>>>>> handshape list that includes the second set of handshapes  
>>>>>>>>> somwhere on the SignWriting website?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
>>>>>>>>> www.westlandasl.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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