Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...

Mon Dec 1 20:27:47 UTC 2008

Hi all,

animated gifs are what we always needed.
great job.
looking forward all that work is finished ;)
good luck with all that.

Honza

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:

> SignWriting ListDecember 1, 2008
>
> Hello Andre and Adam!
>
> Many thanks for telling us...and thank you, Adam, for fixing our web
> pages...I am so happy it got resolved so easily!
>
> And enjoy the Animated GIFs, Andre!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----------
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>
> *Hi Adam, Val and everyone,*
> **
> *    Adam and Val, thanks for changing the color background.*
> **
> *    Everything is fine.*
> **
> *    Hand waving*
> **
> *    André*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 1:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>
> You should be able to see the symbols now. :-)
> Adam
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>
> *Hi Val, Adam and everyone,*
> **
> *    Yes, I can see both animated GIFs and hand symbols.  But, I don't
> know if I can see a group directory color.*
> **
> *    Best regards,*
> **
> *    André*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com>
> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 1:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>
> SignWriting ListNovember 30, 2008
>
> Thank you, Adam. This is excellent information...thank you for researching
> this.
>
> Andre...I just changed the color background on one page...can you see this
> animation?
>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html
>
> It now has a blue background...
>
> If that doesn't work, can you tell me what color the background should be
> so you can see it?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -------
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
> Actually, Andre has more vision than the Deaf-Blind student I work with.
> She can't see anything except general light and dark. Nothing in between.
> But I have other friends who have the similar vision that Andre seems to
> have, so I know what needs to be done.
> I agree that the Mac works best, but gotta make due with what we have. :-)
>
> Unfortunately after I mimicked the screen that Andre was seeing, I realized
> that he could only see my hands in the GIFs and not the symbols as well as
> the symbols in the group directory. This is because Windows makes the
> background black and text white. It doesn't change the image color. So
> basically because we have a transparent background in our GIFs and pngs, the
> background becomes black. Since the symbols' outlines are black, all that
> can be seen are the white palm facings.
>
> I haven't found a solution yet, but I am working on it.
>
> Adam
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> SignWriting ListNovember 30, 2008
>
> Hello Andre and Adam...
> Thanks for your messages...I had hoped Adam, you would know what to do,
> since you interpret for Deaf-Blind, maybe you knew about web sites for your
> friends who are Deaf-Blind...but actually I realize that doesn't necessarily
> follow...
>
> And for Mac users it is much easier...the Mac can reverse the entire screen
> and the reversal is not dependent on any one web browser or kind of
> software...it is built into the operating system...
>
> But Andre is on Windows and in Windows it depends on the web browser I
> believe...
>
> The only thing I can guess is that the images for the symbols that i used
> to create the links to the Animated GIFs...those images in the group
> directories for each symbol have a transparent background...maybe if I make
> the pngs with a white background, then when Andre reverses his web browser
> to see a negative of the images it will be able to reverse properly...I will
> try that later this week Andre...
>
> Meanwhile I am happy you can see the Animated GIFs themselves...that is all
> that really matters!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----------
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>
> *Hi Val,*
> **
> *    I tried to look at the front page of signwriting.org.  I clicked on
> Lessons.  I cannot see black backgrounds (hand groups and hand symbols).*
> **
> *    Regards,*
> **
> *    André*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com>
> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> *Cc:* Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
> ****
> SignWriting ListNovember 30, 2008
> ****
> Andre -
> The animated GIFs are Adam's, and the web pages were my design...so this
> has nothing to do with Steve's software...Are you asking us to create a
> special web page for Deaf-Blind?
> ****
> Adam - Can you help us with this? I need to write some grants so we all
> have money to work...smile...
> ****
> I guess we need to do a web site that is reversed like a negative versus a
> positive?
> ****
> Can you view other web pages of mine, Andre? Like the front page of
> signwriting.org? Can you see that?
> **
> Val ;-)
>
> --------
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>
> *Hi Steve,*
> **
> *    I would like to inform you that I cannot see all black backgrounds
> Ihand groups and hand symbols).  I can see only animated GIF.*
> **
> *    Best regards,*
> **
> *    André*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com>
> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> *Cc:* Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:00 PM
> *Subject:* [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
> ******************
> SignWriting ListNovember 30, 2008
> ********************
> Hello Everyone!
> ****************
> Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in Group 1,
> Group 2 and Group 3...
> **************
> Group 3 is around one-third completed...
> ************
> Go to:
> ********
> ISWA Animated GIFs Hands
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html
> ****
> And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated handshapes
> with palm facing changes...
> ****
> And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the navigation
> arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch them in
> succession....one handshape after the other!
> ****
> These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use these
> handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the animated GIFs...some have
> some signs already...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
> After some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I created. It
> isn't preatty yet because there is still some working being done, but it is
> here none the less.
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html
>
> Adam
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
> I love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that you have a
> handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in real world sense.
> As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an ASL equivalent to
> the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a life work. *wink*), I have made
> the same observations that you have just made. I have also noticed that it
> is rare for native users to realize that they have their hands the way that
> you have just described. This is the reason that the ASL Puddle, which is a
> collaborative dictionary, usually has the first set. The other reason is
> that most people can read the first set easier than the latter. ;-) The
> reason I mention this is if and when I were able to create and ASL
> Webster-like dictionary, then there would be something about this in the
> usage or pronunciation guide.
>
> I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the students. But
> if I were teaching a class that I felt could handle it, I would include both
> in the lessons and tell them that the first set is more of a novice way of
> signing as well as the visual image of how a native
> internally imagines their signing but are actually doing it the second way.
> The reason is in order to do the first set the elbow has to be in
> an awkward position or the wrist has to be painfully bent, whereas the
> latter set does not.
>
> So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-) If you want
> to have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are more than welcome to add
> them. In fact, I think it is better to have both of them so that people can
> compare. As for your second question, I have been creating GIFs of all of
> the current handshapes. Because of everyone being swamped with so many
> projects, it is coming along very slowly. I have done these handshapes that
> you have mentioned, but I don't know if they have been put up on the website
> yet. I am not sure exactly why you are asking because you do understand it
> just fine. I am also surprised that there isn't anything about the latter
> set of handshapes on the website. I just find that odd. So I will check to
> see if my GIFs are on the website or not. If not, maybe I can figure
> something out.
>
> Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest because I
> never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions. It is the way to learn.
> ;-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> *From: *"Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90 at hotmail.com>
> *Date: *November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST
> *To: *"SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> *Subject: **[sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"*
> *Reply-To: *"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>
>
> Greetings SW colleagues,
>
> I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am debating which
> handshapes to use in my presentation.  The ASL signpuddle dictionary cites:
>
>
> <symbol.php>   and   <symbol.php>   as the handshapes for "stand" and
> "look-at" respectively.
>
> As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using them as
> classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or looking-at, I see the
> following actual handshapes used:
>
>
> <symbol.php>  and  <symbol.php>
>
> The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of Handshape group 2
> doesn't include the above handsapes, although I do understand them to mean
> index and middle fingers bent slightly at the proximal knuckle.
>
> First question...  Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to be updated as
> written for these concepts?  To keep the fingers straight requires unnatural
> lifting of the shoulder and elbow.
>
> Second question... is there an updated lesson book or handshape list that
> includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on the SignWriting website?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
> www.westlandasl.com
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