Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...

[Gagnon et Thibeault]

Hi Val and everyone,

    See your attached diagram "ALLIGATOR".  I am confused.  I remember that you told me that fingers look like in a real life. For example a sign for HAMBURGER in LSQ (B) is correct because the finger of the left hand is directed up and looks like in a real life.  a sign (C) is incorrect since the finger of the left hand is directed dowm and doesn't look like in a real life.

    This is my writing (A) "ALLIGATOR" in ASL (here is my attachment)   am I right?

    I would like to know if your attached diagram "ALLIGATOR" is correct?  Do these fingers look like in a real life? 

    I am sorry that I am still learning about it.

    Hand waving

    André
    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Valerie Sutton 
  To: SignWriting List 
  Cc: Adam Frost 
  Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:22 PM
  Subject: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...


  SignWriting List
  November 30, 2008


  Hi Adam and Stefan -
  Thanks for your message below....


  You can see I would much rather talk about handshapes than write the grant...but I am getting to the writing soon! ;-)) We all need the money...;-)


  Anyway...here are some more examples of white palm handshapes with the fingers directed toward the Center of the Body...it is necessary to show the relationship between hands, body and fingers...so it is applying these symbols to actually writing signs, that shows why they are designed the way they are...I always had trouble explaining the reason for this, until finally the Center Rule made it clear why intuitively the center direction feels better...signers rarely twist their fingers to point to the outside of the body...


  For example, the sign for ALLIGATOR...the left hand has to have the fingers going into the Center so it can contact the other hand's fingers...







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  On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Adam Frost wrote:


    I agree. When I looked at your example of CLOWN, it made it clear that it would be horrible to try it that way. It would be impossible to know what the symbol really meant as one of the fingers would just loop back to the square. 


    Stefan, you aren't the first person that has asked me about that similar thing. I think that a large reason that it is a reoccurring question is because it is not a frequent enough thing that happens in Sign Languages. It is also something that doesn't seem to follow the same theme that the other handshapes show. I guess it is just one of those exceptions that just needs to be memorized, or people just need to remember that these symbols all follow the "center of body" rule. Either way, it is still a learning process for us all. ;-)


    Adam


    On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:


      On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Adam Frost wrote:


        I guess the only other way would be to have the fingers on the right side of the symbol curving to the left, but it look very odd to see that. ;-)
        Adam


      It would be impossible in fact, because the curved thumb would write on top of the square for the fist, and it would be very hard to show the curve...believe me...I tried it!


      No. The Center of the Body rule works beautifully and gives the feeling of the fingertips of all three fingers "relating to each other"... they need to be seen in a curve where the fingers relate to each other in a formation that the reader's eye picks up on fast while reading...


      Val ;-)






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