Handwriting
Valerie Sutton
sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Mon Dec 8 17:14:55 UTC 2008
SignWriting List
December 8, 2008
Hello Stuart!
You are absolutely right on all points!
No one is arguing that...It is just a matter of time...
And that is why it was good that we at least started this course long
ago:
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/
and the lessons there are a beginning...it goes for several web pages:
Introduction
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html
Handwriting Symbol Construction
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html
Handwriting Symbol Chart
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html
Handwriting Lesson 1 Assignment
http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf
That is as far as we got!
Val ;-)
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On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> Valerie, I understand your point about learning to handprint before
> doing cursive, etc.
>
> But I still believe that one of the barriers to acceptance of
> SignWriting by some people is the fact that it appears to be slow to
> write by hand. I know that there is a long history of writing by
> hand before the various programs that we have today. My point simply
> is that the information that people have now is focused on the
> computer program which is a very important element. But also there
> is a very important element of having a handwritten form that is
> simpler than the printed form and more easily written.
>
> When people can see both styles of writing (printed and written),
> then that will open up new arguments for the usefulness of
> SignWriting in everyday life.
>
> So, I know the ISWA has been your priority for now, and it is an
> important priority. And more is still going on that. This is just
> something that will need to be resolved at some point.
>
> One suggestion I have is that maybe at some point you introduce
> handwritten forms for each of the ISWA symbols. So a person can look
> up an ISWA symbol and see both the printed form and the handwritten
> form. So as they practice on the computer or on a piece of paper,
> they can learn to use and read the system both ways.
>
> Hebrew, for example, has the same alphabet, but the exact form of
> the letter varies depending on which written form of Hebrew you use
> (Cursive, Rashi, or the printed form). (See the chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)
> .
>
> Like you've said before, it may be that we will have different
> "fonts" or writing styles for SignWriting, but I think it will
> encourage people to also write by hand if there is a way to write it
> simply. Then they start doing grocery lists and quick notes to
> family and class notes and eventually it becomes a part of their
> everyday handwriting strategies.
>
> I admit for myself that I rarely handwrite SignWriting because the
> printed symbols just take longer to handwrite. When I do
> SignWriting, it is usually only when I use SignPuddle. I would
> prefer to handwrite more, but I find my motivation is lower when I
> have to invent my own ways of writing the printed forms faster. So
> when the time comes to show handwriting, I'm less likely to convince
> them on that front.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Stuart
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:35 , Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> December 8, 2008
>>
>> Hello Andre -
>> In a SignWriting curriculum, for children, I would put learning SW
>> Handwriting in the third year...
>>
>> Just as it explains on these web pages:
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html
>>
>> In any written form, writing in a "faster cursive style" takes
>> skill. Plus SignWriting does not have the documentation ready for
>> teaching formal SW Handwriting...
>>
>> Therefore, when we were young children learning to write English
>> characters, we did not start by learning English cursive-
>> handwriting...we started with hand-printing each English character
>> carefully, writing them in rows and rows until we became skilled...
>>
>> Then, after learning how to write in this perfect hand-printing
>> style, after around the second grade...for me it was in the third
>> grade...I started to learn to write real handwriting in school (for
>> English)...so based on that experience, I suggest that SW
>> handprinting should be taught the first two years of a SignWriting
>> curriculum, and the SW handwriting starts around the third year in
>> school...
>>
>> Stefan has some experience with this...His student, Eduard, who is
>> writing in the picture on the front page of our web site, is a
>> skilled SignWriting student, having been in Stefan's classroom for
>> several years...so he started the handwriting later, after getting
>> familiar with SW in general...
>>
>> So that is my advice...Your students and teachers are beginners or
>> at least, in their first year of learning and using SW, so maybe
>> the handwriting should wait until next year?
>>
>> But they could try some of these Handprinting techniques right now:
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ----------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Val, Anne-Claude and everyone,
>>>
>>> Anny, I don't ask that you translate a SW handwriting's web
>>> pages. You translate only two words : handprinting and
>>> handwriting.
>>>
>>> I mean that I need only a section "Quick dailly writing".
>>> I am writing a LSQ curriculum for a SW writing. I understand that
>>> you need to write new books. No problem. I am trying better to
>>> describe a SW handwriting (quick daily writing).
>>>
>>> I believe that Deaf students write a SW handprinting because
>>> teachers don't know about SW handwriting norms (Quick daily
>>> writing).
>>>
>>> Hand waving
>>>
>>> André
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>> To: SignWriting List
>>> Cc: Gagnon et Thibeault
>>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Handwriting
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> December 8, 2008
>>>
>>> Hello Andre and Anny -
>>> There is no document to translate...smile...but there are web pages.
>>>
>>> If you follow all the links on this web page:
>>>
>>> SignWriting Handwriting
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/
>>>
>>> There are six sections and each section has several web pages...I
>>> do not know if Andre really needs a translation of those web pages
>>> into French?
>>>
>>> I have nothing else to give you right now, Andre...More books on
>>> Handwriting will have to wait for awhile, since I am so behind on
>>> other books that need to be updated...
>>>
>>> Have you seen the front page of our web site? Stefan's Deaf
>>> student Eduard is quite an artist with SW calligraphy, don't you
>>> think?
>>>
>>> SignWriting HomePage
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>>
>>> Stefan will be sending us more photos of the finished art
>>> later...i look forward to seeing them!
>>>
>>> And I believe that Kim from Boston has also done some SW
>>> calligraphy...
>>>
>>> Kim's work
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> -----------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
>>>
>>>> andré
>>>>
>>>> what kind of document do you need to get translated from english
>>>> into french ?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> let me know
>>>>
>>>> Anny
>>>>
>>>> Le 8 déc. 08 à 15:43, Gagnon et Thibeault a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anne-Claude, Val and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Anny, I would like you to translate a handprinting and a
>>>>> handwriting from English to French?
>>>>>
>>>>> Val, I am writing a LSQ curriculum from grade 7th to 8th
>>>>> including SW reading and SW writing now. But, I don't know
>>>>> about handwriting norms. I would like you to explain me
>>>>> handwriting norms in general. You remember that you gave a
>>>>> handwriting course to some participants one year ago. I love
>>>>> learning it. I don't mean that participants do their homework
>>>>> but they read only instructions. Would you give us general
>>>>> explanations or instructions of handwriting norms which help me
>>>>> write and explain a LSQ curriculum including SW writing ? You
>>>>> don't need an explanation of the handprinting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> André
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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