printed form and signwritten form
Gagnon et Thibeault
atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Thu Dec 18 16:40:32 UTC 2008
Bonjour/Hi Anny and everyone,
Anny, thank you for translating 4 English words into French.
I don't think that you are wrong. You know that different translators prefer many choices of words.
For example,
Printing= -impression
- reproduction d'un texte, d'une illustration par l'imprimerie
Handprinting = -écriture en caractères d'imprimerie
-écriture en lettres détachées
Handwriting = écriture en lettres attachées
écriture à la main normale
Shorthand: écriture simplifiée
Anny, je vous souhaite de joyeuses fêtes.
Salut de la main (hand waving)
André
----- Original Message -----
From: Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod
To: SignWriting List
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form
Hello Andr�, Va and list members
thanks for the examples... it helps understand!
(please any other french speaking french correct me if I'm wrong.....)
1) PRINTING = �criture SCRIPT , version informatique
2) HANDPRINTING = �criture SCRIPT, � la main
3) HANDWRITING = �criture LIEE
4) SHORTHAND= st�nographie
1) 2) 3) 4)
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hope this helps
have a nice Christmas time everyone!
Anny
Le 16 d�c. 08 � 04:03, Valerie Sutton a �crit :
Adam and Andre -
Thank you for remembering this page...I had totally forgotten it, and the links on our web pages are poor to it...we should do more signs in a chart like this...and we need to make the page more obvious to web visitors including me ;-))
Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre would like to put the words at the top of the chart in French...smile...
Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the Shorthand as a cursive writing...maybe that should be explored someday...
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
Here it is. :-)
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html
Adam
On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
Hi Val and everyone,
�
��� No,� I will try to look for finding a chart (your name in English, not SW).� If I find it,� I will fax it to you.
�
��� Hand waving
�
��� Andr�
----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie Sutton
To: SignWriting List
Cc: Gagnon et Thibeault
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form
SignWriting List
December 15, 2008
I found this web page, Andre...is this what you mean?
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
Hi Val and everyone,
�
��� Val,� When I learned a handwriting course, I remember that you compare a chart�for your name (Valerie) in English�between printing, handprinting and handwriting.� Do you have it?� If yes, this chart helps sw-listers understand them better.�
�
��� Hand waving
�
��� Andr�
----- Original Message -----
From:�Valerie Sutton
To:�SignWriting List
Sent:�Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject:�Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form
SignWriting List
December 15, 2008
On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Anne-Claude Pr�laz Girod wrote:
I'm not sure to understand what you mean by
HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING and the examples I've seen don't really help me to understand clearly what difference ther is between the 2
Hello Anny -
I guess I can try to answer your question...
Handwriting is a term, in English, that has several definitions and meanings...
One meaning for "handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning writing that "connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in the US, is taught in schools around third grade...and when I moved to Denmark at age 19, I found out that the handwriting taught in Danish schools did not look like the handwriting taught in my school in the US...so cursive writing does vary from place to place, even when they are trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years because of this education difference...
But I could read "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took the time to write by hand in very slow and careful perfect letters that looked a lot like type that is printed by machine, then i could read a, b and c and understand the Danish written by hand...so based on that experience, I started using these terms:
Handprinting....Writing by hand that is as perfect as you can, making symbols as close to the printed machine form as possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block printing...
Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed "cursive" style of writing...
The problem is that SW Handwriting is not really cursive right now...it might be someday...there was an idea floating around in the late 1980s that maybe our Shorthand stenography system could become the "cursive" form of SW Handwriting, but at the moment SW Handwriting means writing that is not "perfect" but more relaxed...
Does this help at all? And can anyone explain it better? I bet you can...and please do ;-))
and I think the idea of using the stenography as a more cursive writing is a great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the �ISWA symbols...
Val ;-)
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Hello André, Va and list members
thanks for the examples... it helps understand!
(please any other french speaking french correct me if I'm wrong.....)
1) PRINTING = écriture SCRIPT , version informatique
2) HANDPRINTING = écriture SCRIPT, à la main
3) HANDWRITING = écriture LIEE
4) SHORTHAND= sténographie
1) 2) 3) 4)

hope this helps
have a nice Christmas time everyone!
Anny
Le 16 déc. 08 à 04:03, Valerie Sutton a écrit :
> Adam and Andre -
> Thank you for remembering this page...I had totally forgotten it,
> and the links on our web pages are poor to it...we should do more
> signs in a chart like this...and we need to make the page more
> obvious to web visitors including me ;-))
>
> Anyway, Anny, I hope this chart helps...I guess Andre would like to
> put the words at the top of the chart in French...smile...
>
> Years ago, a linguist told me she uses the Shorthand as a cursive
> writing...maybe that should be explored someday...
>
>
> <Picture 4.png>
>
>
>
>
> --------
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
>> Here it is. :-)
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/signs.html
>>
>> Adam
>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Val and everyone,
>>>
>>> No, I will try to look for finding a chart (your name in
>>> English, not SW). If I find it, I will fax it to you.
>>>
>>> Hand waving
>>>
>>> André
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>> To: SignWriting List
>>> Cc: Gagnon et Thibeault
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> December 15, 2008
>>>
>>> I found this web page, Andre...is this what you mean?
>>>
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/
>>> lesson101.html
>>>
>>> <Picture 3.png>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Val and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Val, When I learned a handwriting course, I remember that
>>>> you compare a chart for your name (Valerie) in English between
>>>> printing, handprinting and handwriting. Do you have it? If
>>>> yes, this chart helps sw-listers understand them better.
>>>>
>>>> Hand waving
>>>>
>>>> André
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] printed form and signwritten form
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> December 15, 2008
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure to understand what you mean by
>>>>> HANDWRITING / HANDPRINTING and the examples I've seen don't
>>>>> really help me to understand clearly what difference ther is
>>>>> between the 2
>>>>
>>>> Hello Anny -
>>>> I guess I can try to answer your question...
>>>>
>>>> Handwriting is a term, in English, that has several definitions
>>>> and meanings...
>>>>
>>>> One meaning for "handwriting" is cursive writing...meaning
>>>> writing that "connects letters" in a quick and more relaxed
>>>> fashion. That kind of handwriting, here in the US, is taught in
>>>> schools around third grade...and when I moved to Denmark at age
>>>> 19, I found out that the handwriting taught in Danish schools
>>>> did not look like the handwriting taught in my school in the
>>>> US...so cursive writing does vary from place to place, even when
>>>> they are trying to write the same symbols, such as a or b or
>>>> c...I could not read handwritten Danish for years because of
>>>> this education difference...
>>>>
>>>> But I could read "handprinting" in Denmark...When people took
>>>> the time to write by hand in very slow and careful perfect
>>>> letters that looked a lot like type that is printed by machine,
>>>> then i could read a, b and c and understand the Danish written
>>>> by hand...so based on that experience, I started using these terms:
>>>>
>>>> Handprinting....Writing by hand that is as perfect as you can,
>>>> making symbols as close to the printed machine form as
>>>> possible...writing block letters...sometimes called block
>>>> printing...
>>>>
>>>> Handwriting...the SignWriting equivalent to a more relaxed
>>>> "cursive" style of writing...
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that SW Handwriting is not really cursive right
>>>> now...it might be someday...there was an idea floating around in
>>>> the late 1980s that maybe our Shorthand stenography system could
>>>> become the "cursive" form of SW Handwriting, but at the moment
>>>> SW Handwriting means writing that is not "perfect" but more
>>>> relaxed...
>>>>
>>>> Does this help at all? And can anyone explain it better? I bet
>>>> you can...and please do ;-))
>>>>
>>>> and I think the idea of using the stenography as a more cursive
>>>> writing is a great idea, if we can adapt it to fit the ISWA
>>>> symbols...
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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