sign puddle help

Wed Jun 11 05:48:58 UTC 2008

Thanks

It looks like you intended to include an image in your email, but I
see none.  Was there an image?

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org> wrote:
> I notice that you were using rotation match. I usually don't use that
> because I usually don't know the exact rotation. In fact, because the style
> of writing can be so divers, I usually use "Any Match" to make sure that I
> have the sign that I am looking for. Here is how I would do a symbol search
> for football.
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> If you have seen the sign written and you know exactly how it is written,
> then you can use the SymbolSearch by writing it exactly as you see it, leave
> it black (so that it is exact match), and then search. I personally just use
> the Any Match because I can't usually find things exactly. I might use the
> fill match if I know that the fill is a certain way. The same thing goes
> with the rotation match, but that usually only happens when I have made a
> search that returns too many signs.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Adam
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Brian McQueen wrote:
>
>> I was too specific in my email. I was trying to give an example of a
>> generic problem I have been experiencing - the problem being trying to
>> look up the English word for a sign, not anything about The Cat in the
>> Hat.  In general I have a very hard time getting a successful search
>> result.  I'll find a different example.  The sign for football is in
>> there:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/P7s7CYKWRi
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>> It shows the sign to be:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/deWrGr6NeDG
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>> But I had a very hard time doing a symbol search for the sign.
>>
>> Here is a sample search to demonstrate doing a rotate match on the hands:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/L5m6YRhH
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>> No results for that one:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/Xc0pQ3z7
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>> This example shows that it is quite hard to actually get a hit on a
>> search.
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>> Or a user might know it the sign contains this one hand in some
>> orientation, but they don't know how to write the rest, so they search
>> for the one thing they do know - that one hand shape with the
>> uncertain rotation:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/3psUSYtCCQx
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>> In their result set they would expect to find their sign somewhere:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/ls1qEChtp
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>> Its a massive result set, and I don't see football in there, so I
>> guess a normal user would try to constrain the query a bit:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/VMe6VITUZX
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>> I get no results for this constrained query:
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>> http://screencast.com/t/KKolpqlma
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>> I don't want to be discouraging.  I am asking because I am so
>> impressed and interested in this.  I want to both use it myself, as
>> well as get other folks to use it too.  Did I make some mistake in
>> that "football" search?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Brian McQueen
>>
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>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Brian,
>>>
>>> I will be more that willing to help you. It seems to me that you would
>>> like
>>> to be able to have an ASL sign to English word correlation in SignPuddle.
>>> More specifically you are looking for that relation in a document written
>>> in SignText. It is possible to have that in SignText, but none of that
>>> information was written for any of the Cat in the Hat pages. So there are
>>> no
>>> English word correlations stored in SignPuddle for any of the Cat in the
>>> Hat
>>> pages.
>>>
>>> You also mentioned that you tried to do a Search by Symbols, but were
>>> given
>>> a return of no results even when the symbols are in the documents of The
>>> Cat
>>> in the Hat. This is because the searches are searching for the symbols in
>>> the titles of the document. In all of the Cat in the Hat pages the only
>>> title is written in English with words like "Cat in the Hat 01."
>>>
>>> I am sorry that they information that you seems to be looking for isn't
>>> even
>>> there because I didn't put it in there when I did the editing. If you
>>> would
>>> like to have the information, you can just ask me what the English
>>> correlation the the ASL sign is and I will tell you. ;-)
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Brian McQueen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you please help me get more out of Sign Puddle?  I can't seem to
>>>> find anything most of the time.  The Sign Puddle is so important!
>>>> Going from a sign to the English word is the most important missing
>>>> piece of Sign Language documentation in my opinion.  Here is an
>>>> example.  I am taking a word from The Cat in the Hat:
>>>>
>>>> http://screencast.com/t/scGSIxWn
>>>>
>>>> Here is the Rotate Match:
>>>>
>>>> http://screencast.com/t/NyfU9M2g
>>>>
>>>> Clicking Search gives:
>>>>
>>>> http://screencast.com/t/PJGhs2DDndD
>>>>
>>>> For some reason the signs in that post-search summary are not the same
>>>> as the ones I entered:
>>>>
>>>> But mostly I need to be able to look up the words!  I have a very low
>>>> success rate and this kind of search is exactly what I need, so I need
>>>> to have a higher success rate.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
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