sign puddle help

Wed Jun 11 05:50:14 UTC 2008

Cancel that!  I see the images.

Thanks again

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Brian McQueen <mcqueenorama at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks
>
> It looks like you intended to include an image in your email, but I
> see none.  Was there an image?
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org> wrote:
>> I notice that you were using rotation match. I usually don't use that
>> because I usually don't know the exact rotation. In fact, because the style
>> of writing can be so divers, I usually use "Any Match" to make sure that I
>> have the sign that I am looking for. Here is how I would do a symbol search
>> for football.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> If you have seen the sign written and you know exactly how it is written,
>> then you can use the SymbolSearch by writing it exactly as you see it, leave
>> it black (so that it is exact match), and then search. I personally just use
>> the Any Match because I can't usually find things exactly. I might use the
>> fill match if I know that the fill is a certain way. The same thing goes
>> with the rotation match, but that usually only happens when I have made a
>> search that returns too many signs.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Brian McQueen wrote:
>>
>>> I was too specific in my email. I was trying to give an example of a
>>> generic problem I have been experiencing - the problem being trying to
>>> look up the English word for a sign, not anything about The Cat in the
>>> Hat.  In general I have a very hard time getting a successful search
>>> result.  I'll find a different example.  The sign for football is in
>>> there:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/P7s7CYKWRi
>>>
>>> It shows the sign to be:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/deWrGr6NeDG
>>>
>>> But I had a very hard time doing a symbol search for the sign.
>>>
>>> Here is a sample search to demonstrate doing a rotate match on the hands:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/L5m6YRhH
>>>
>>> No results for that one:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/Xc0pQ3z7
>>>
>>> This example shows that it is quite hard to actually get a hit on a
>>> search.
>>>
>>> Or a user might know it the sign contains this one hand in some
>>> orientation, but they don't know how to write the rest, so they search
>>> for the one thing they do know - that one hand shape with the
>>> uncertain rotation:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/3psUSYtCCQx
>>>
>>> In their result set they would expect to find their sign somewhere:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/ls1qEChtp
>>>
>>> Its a massive result set, and I don't see football in there, so I
>>> guess a normal user would try to constrain the query a bit:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/VMe6VITUZX
>>>
>>> I get no results for this constrained query:
>>>
>>> http://screencast.com/t/KKolpqlma
>>>
>>> I don't want to be discouraging.  I am asking because I am so
>>> impressed and interested in this.  I want to both use it myself, as
>>> well as get other folks to use it too.  Did I make some mistake in
>>> that "football" search?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Brian McQueen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I will be more that willing to help you. It seems to me that you would
>>>> like
>>>> to be able to have an ASL sign to English word correlation in SignPuddle.
>>>> More specifically you are looking for that relation in a document written
>>>> in SignText. It is possible to have that in SignText, but none of that
>>>> information was written for any of the Cat in the Hat pages. So there are
>>>> no
>>>> English word correlations stored in SignPuddle for any of the Cat in the
>>>> Hat
>>>> pages.
>>>>
>>>> You also mentioned that you tried to do a Search by Symbols, but were
>>>> given
>>>> a return of no results even when the symbols are in the documents of The
>>>> Cat
>>>> in the Hat. This is because the searches are searching for the symbols in
>>>> the titles of the document. In all of the Cat in the Hat pages the only
>>>> title is written in English with words like "Cat in the Hat 01."
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry that they information that you seems to be looking for isn't
>>>> even
>>>> there because I didn't put it in there when I did the editing. If you
>>>> would
>>>> like to have the information, you can just ask me what the English
>>>> correlation the the ASL sign is and I will tell you. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Brian McQueen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you please help me get more out of Sign Puddle?  I can't seem to
>>>>> find anything most of the time.  The Sign Puddle is so important!
>>>>> Going from a sign to the English word is the most important missing
>>>>> piece of Sign Language documentation in my opinion.  Here is an
>>>>> example.  I am taking a word from The Cat in the Hat:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/scGSIxWn
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the Rotate Match:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/NyfU9M2g
>>>>>
>>>>> Clicking Search gives:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/PJGhs2DDndD
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason the signs in that post-search summary are not the same
>>>>> as the ones I entered:
>>>>>
>>>>> But mostly I need to be able to look up the words!  I have a very low
>>>>> success rate and this kind of search is exactly what I need, so I need
>>>>> to have a higher success rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
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