translating text in signpuddle
Steve Slevinski
slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
Fri Oct 17 16:50:06 UTC 2008
Hi Adam,
If that's the questions, then the answer is to use - or _ instead of
spaces between words in translate. Even if the dictionary entry uses
spaces, the translate section will understand that - or _ means a space.
So if you want to pull up "what's up" in translate, you enter
"what's-up" or "what's_up" in translate and it will find the right entry.
You could also force translate to do a search by entering "wha" in the
translate text area. Since "wha" doesn't match any specific entry, it
will perform a search and display all matching entires such as "what",
"what's up", ... As of now, there is no way to force a search if there
is a matching entry. Since "what" has a specific match, it will only
display the "what" entries.
Regards,
-Steve
Adam Frost wrote:
> Honza
>
> I could be way off which is why I am asking. Are you asking if there
> is a way in translation to get a multi word sign? For example if the
> sign in the ASL dictionary is any entered as "I give him" then how do
> you pull up that sign? Is that what you are asking?
>
> Adam
>
> On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:17 AM, "Charles Butler"
> <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
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>> As you can see, give-to-me" is a phrase, "give" is a verb which has
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>> You have to experiment.
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>> Charles
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>> */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/* wrote:
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>> yes, but it is not possible to do the same in translating, or is?
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>> thanks
>> Honza
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>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Charles Butler
>> <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>> In addition, Honza, this function works and lets you search
>> all parameters.
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>> become
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4060,7106&search=come&type=any>
>> come
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=840,826,7535,9119,2053,2915,4259,8651,2066,1937&search=come&type=any>
>> come here
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7413&search=come&type=any>
>> come together
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=353,5174&search=come&type=any>
>> come-
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2264&search=come&type=any>
>> come-2
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4335&search=come&type=any>
>> come-down
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=860&search=come&type=any>
>> come-here
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2410,4750&search=come&type=any>
>> come-here-boy
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1890&search=come&type=any>
>> income
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2500,8743&search=come&type=any>
>> light comes on
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=665&search=come&type=any>
>> overcome
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3393&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1341,2362,4325,785,1604,7347,4507&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome (person left)
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2803&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome (person right)
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6179&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome welcome
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7347&search=come&type=any>
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>> If you save a sign you try to put every way it could be
>> translated.
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>> Charles
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>> */Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>> Looking up "give" Honza, gives ALL appearances of
>> "give". It doesn't depend on hyphens. It's a text
>> searcher, not looking for blanks or hyphens.
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>> forgive
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4665,5156&search=give&type=any>
>> give
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1644,939,8537,8893,9356,3048,2735,317,6995,4356,6603,2747,8801,6602&search=give&type=any>
>> Give
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7529,7528&search=give&type=any>
>> give (2) you give me
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=820,312&search=give&type=any>
>> give (v) I give you
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=821,6096&search=give&type=any>
>> give myself baby
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1340&search=give&type=any>
>> give up
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9478&search=give&type=any>
>> give-back
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6717&search=give&type=any>
>> give-cup-to
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1223&search=give&type=any>
>> give-cups-to-several-people
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3193&search=give&type=any>
>> give-gift
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2997&search=give&type=any>
>> give-give
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1756&search=give&type=any>
>> give-out
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4267&search=give&type=any>
>> give-to
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1798&search=give&type=any>
>> give-to-me
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4339&search=give&type=any>
>> give-up
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2075&search=give&type=any>
>> gives
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5612&search=give&type=any>
>> I give to you
>> <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6995&search=give&type=any>
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>> I think the Sign Puddle, for what it does, does a pretty
>> good job.
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>> Try experimenting with the search function as well as
>> particular words. Sign Puddle has been working for many
>> years.
>>
>> */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/* wrote:
>>
>> sure there are many signs like that.
>> I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
>> Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and
>> "he-give-to-me" otherwise if you search for "give" in
>> search result you would not see "he-give-to-me".
>>
>> Honza
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>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Charles Butler
>> <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that ANY language translation
>> program needs to be done "phrase by phrase" and
>> that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in
>> the current version of sign puddle.
>> "I-give-to-him" is another example. ASL carries
>> direction in a single sign, so every phrase has
>> to be included in a comprehensive dictionary. It
>> will be a challenge for any spoken language to
>> any signed language and all translation programs
>> have to build in "proximity" rules for phrases.
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>> "I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign
>> puddle translation has to have both phrases. It
>> will be a challenge for a long time.
>>
>> Charles Butler
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>> */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/*
>> wrote:
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>> sure I know, but it is also how are sings
>> shown. I think it is possible to do it that
>> way, it is possible than to translate prhases
>> as well, if they are entered to the puddle.
>> Right now there is only way - to label more
>> words terms with "-".
>> so then I am not able to take advantage of
>> having possibility to enter signs that needs
>> to be labeled with more words.
>> thanks
>>
>> Honza
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>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren
>> <cwterp at yahoo.com <mailto:cwterp at yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
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>> The problem is with how the sign is
>> entered into the puddle, I think. If I
>> enter the (single) sign that would be
>> translated "whats up", I would label it
>> as WHAT-UP. There is no program known
>> that can ACCURATELY translate from one
>> language to another (have you SEEN the
>> results from Babelfish?!) All the
>> computer can do is substitute the sign
>> WHAT for what, the (English) sigh IS for
>> is, and the sign UP for up. It can't
>> know that the English 'what is up'
>> translates to a single sign, unless you
>> label the sign that way when you enter it.
>>
>> The preceeding message is from a
>> non-programming computer user. Your
>> mileage may vary. ::grin::
>>
>> cherie
>>
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>> *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
>> *Subject:* [sw-l] translating text in
>> signpuddle
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>> Hi Val,
>>
>> since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have
>> problems with translating text.
>> Let me explain. Short example. I need to
>> translate "whats up" in longer text.
>> So I write "... what is up ..."
>> But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT
>> UP .. "
>> but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
>> So I can do it in some ways (like in sign
>> "what's up" add meaning "what" to be
>> shown beside single "what".. or use "-"
>> but that's not what I need.
>>
>>
>> Is there some way how to make clean
>> translation of phrases into one sign
>> (which is already added in to puddle)?
>>
>> thanks
>> Honza
>>
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