translating text in signpuddle

Steve Slevinski slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
Fri Oct 17 16:50:06 UTC 2008


Hi Adam,

If that's the questions, then the answer is to use - or _  instead of 
spaces between words in translate.  Even if the dictionary entry uses 
spaces, the translate section will understand that - or _ means a space.

So if you want to pull up "what's up" in translate, you enter 
"what's-up" or "what's_up" in translate and it will find the right entry.

You could also force translate to do a search by entering "wha" in the 
translate text area.  Since "wha" doesn't match any specific entry, it 
will perform a search and display all matching entires such as "what", 
"what's up", ...  As of now, there is no way to force a search if there 
is a matching entry.  Since "what" has a specific match, it will only 
display the "what" entries.

Regards,
-Steve

Adam Frost wrote:
> Honza
>
> I could be way off which is why I am asking. Are you asking if there 
> is a way in translation to get a multi word sign? For example if the 
> sign in the ASL dictionary is any entered as "I give him" then how do 
> you pull up that sign? Is that what you are asking?
>
> Adam
>
> On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:17 AM, "Charles Butler" 
> <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> give-to-me
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>> As you can see, give-to-me" is a phrase, "give" is a verb which has 
>> many contexts. 
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>> You have to experiment.
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>> Charles
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>> */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/* wrote:
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>>     yes, but it is not possible to do the same in translating, or is?
>>
>>     thanks
>>     Honza
>>
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>>     On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Charles Butler
>>     <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>>         In addition, Honza, this function works and lets you search
>>         all parameters.
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>>         become
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4060,7106&search=come&type=any>
>>         come
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=840,826,7535,9119,2053,2915,4259,8651,2066,1937&search=come&type=any>
>>         come here
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7413&search=come&type=any>
>>         come together
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=353,5174&search=come&type=any>
>>         	come-
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2264&search=come&type=any>
>>         come-2
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4335&search=come&type=any>
>>         come-down
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=860&search=come&type=any>
>>         come-here
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2410,4750&search=come&type=any>
>>         	come-here-boy
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1890&search=come&type=any>
>>         income
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2500,8743&search=come&type=any>
>>         light comes on
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=665&search=come&type=any>
>>         overcome
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3393&search=come&type=any>
>>         	welcome
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1341,2362,4325,785,1604,7347,4507&search=come&type=any>
>>         welcome (person left)
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2803&search=come&type=any>
>>         welcome (person right)
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6179&search=come&type=any>
>>         welcome welcome
>>         <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7347&search=come&type=any>
>>
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>>         If you save a sign you try to put every way it could be
>>         translated. 
>>
>>         Charles
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>>         */Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>>         <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>             Looking up "give" Honza, gives ALL appearances of
>>             "give".  It doesn't depend on hyphens. It's a text
>>             searcher, not looking for blanks or hyphens.
>>
>>             forgive
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4665,5156&search=give&type=any>
>>             give
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1644,939,8537,8893,9356,3048,2735,317,6995,4356,6603,2747,8801,6602&search=give&type=any>
>>             Give
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7529,7528&search=give&type=any>
>>             give (2) you give me
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=820,312&search=give&type=any>
>>             	give (v) I give you
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=821,6096&search=give&type=any>
>>             give myself baby
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1340&search=give&type=any>
>>             give up
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9478&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-back
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6717&search=give&type=any>
>>             	give-cup-to
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1223&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-cups-to-several-people
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3193&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-gift
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2997&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-give
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1756&search=give&type=any>
>>             	give-out
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4267&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-to
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1798&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-to-me
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4339&search=give&type=any>
>>             give-up
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2075&search=give&type=any>
>>             	gives
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5612&search=give&type=any>
>>             I give to you
>>             <http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6995&search=give&type=any>
>>
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>>             I think the Sign Puddle, for what it does, does a pretty
>>             good job.
>>
>>             Try experimenting with the search function as well as
>>             particular words.  Sign Puddle has been working for many
>>             years. 
>>
>>             */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/* wrote:
>>
>>                 sure there are many signs like that.
>>                 I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
>>                 Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and
>>                 "he-give-to-me" otherwise if you search for "give" in
>>                 search result you would not see "he-give-to-me".
>>
>>                 Honza
>>
>>                 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Charles Butler
>>                 <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>>                 <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     The problem is that ANY language translation
>>                     program needs to be done "phrase by phrase" and
>>                     that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in
>>                     the current version of sign puddle. 
>>                     "I-give-to-him" is another example.  ASL carries
>>                     direction in a single sign, so every phrase has
>>                     to be included in a comprehensive dictionary.  It
>>                     will be a challenge for any spoken language to
>>                     any signed language and all translation programs
>>                     have to build in "proximity" rules for phrases. 
>>
>>                     "I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign
>>                     puddle translation has to have both phrases.  It
>>                     will be a challenge for a long time.
>>
>>                     Charles Butler
>>
>>
>>                     */Honza <honza at ruce.cz <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>/*
>>                     wrote:
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>>                         sure I know, but it is also how are sings
>>                         shown. I think it is possible to do it that
>>                         way, it is possible than to translate prhases
>>                         as well, if they are entered to the puddle.
>>                         Right now there is only way - to label more
>>                         words terms with "-".
>>                         so then I am not able to take advantage of
>>                         having possibility to enter signs that needs
>>                         to be labeled with more words.
>>                         thanks
>>
>>                         Honza
>>
>>                         On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren
>>                         <cwterp at yahoo.com <mailto:cwterp at yahoo.com>>
>>                         wrote:
>>
>>                             The problem is with how the sign is
>>                             entered into the puddle, I think.  If I
>>                             enter the (single) sign that would be
>>                             translated "whats up", I would label it
>>                             as WHAT-UP.  There is no program known
>>                             that can ACCURATELY translate from one
>>                             language to another (have you SEEN the
>>                             results from Babelfish?!)  All the
>>                             computer can do is substitute the sign
>>                             WHAT for what, the (English) sigh IS for
>>                             is, and the sign UP for up.  It can't
>>                             know that the English 'what is up'
>>                             translates to a single sign, unless you
>>                             label the sign that way when you enter it. 
>>
>>                             The preceeding message is from a
>>                             non-programming computer user.  Your
>>                             mileage may vary.  ::grin::
>>
>>                             cherie
>>
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>>                             *From:* Honza <honza at ruce.cz
>>                             <mailto:honza at ruce.cz>>
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>>                             *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
>>                             *Subject:* [sw-l] translating text in
>>                             signpuddle
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>>                             Hi Val,
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>>                             since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have
>>                             problems with translating text.
>>                             Let me explain. Short example. I need to
>>                             translate "whats up" in longer text.
>>                             So I write "... what is up ..."
>>                             But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT
>>                             UP .. "
>>                             but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
>>                             So I can do it in some ways (like in sign
>>                             "what's up" add meaning "what" to be
>>                             shown beside single "what".. or use "-"
>>                             but that's not what I need.
>>
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>>                             Is there some way how to make clean
>>                             translation of phrases into one sign
>>                             (which is already added in to puddle)?
>>
>>                             thanks
>>                             Honza
>>
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