translating text in signpuddle

Fri Oct 17 18:50:52 UTC 2008

Hi Steve and Adam,

yes that's the question.
So if dictionary understand - and _ as space then, it's the way how to do
it. I hope.
But in that case space has no use in dictionary if dictionary does not
recognise phrases like "he gives him".
I know it is not so easy as it seems to handle this.

thanks
Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>wrote:

>  Hi Adam,
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> If that's the questions, then the answer is to use - or _  instead of
> spaces between words in translate.  Even if the dictionary entry uses
> spaces, the translate section will understand that - or _ means a space.
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> So if you want to pull up "what's up" in translate, you enter "what's-up"
> or "what's_up" in translate and it will find the right entry.
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> You could also force translate to do a search by entering "wha" in the
> translate text area.  Since "wha" doesn't match any specific entry, it will
> perform a search and display all matching entires such as "what", "what's
> up", ...  As of now, there is no way to force a search if there is a
> matching entry.  Since "what" has a specific match, it will only display the
> "what" entries.
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> Regards,
> -Steve
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> Adam Frost wrote:
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> Honza
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>  I could be way off which is why I am asking. Are you asking if there is a
> way in translation to get a multi word sign? For example if the sign in the
> ASL dictionary is any entered as "I give him" then how do you pull up that
> sign? Is that what you are asking?
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>  Adam
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> On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:17 AM, "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
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> As you can see, give-to-me" is a phrase, "give" is a verb which has many
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> You have to experiment.
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> Charles
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> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
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> yes, but it is not possible to do the same in translating, or is?
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> thanks
> Honza
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> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> In addition, Honza, this function works and lets you search all
>> parameters.
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>>   become<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4060,7106&search=come&type=any>
>> come<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=840,826,7535,9119,2053,2915,4259,8651,2066,1937&search=come&type=any>
>> come here<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7413&search=come&type=any>
>> come together<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=353,5174&search=come&type=any>
>>  come-<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2264&search=come&type=any>
>> come-2<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4335&search=come&type=any>
>> come-down<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=860&search=come&type=any>
>> come-here<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2410,4750&search=come&type=any>
>>  come-here-boy<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1890&search=come&type=any>
>> income<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2500,8743&search=come&type=any>
>> light comes on<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=665&search=come&type=any>
>> overcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3393&search=come&type=any>
>>  welcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1341,2362,4325,785,1604,7347,4507&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome (person left)<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2803&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome (person right)<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6179&search=come&type=any>
>> welcome welcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7347&search=come&type=any>
>> If you save a sign you try to put every way it could be translated.
>>
>> Charles
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>> *Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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>> Looking up "give" Honza, gives ALL appearances of "give".  It doesn't
>> depend on hyphens. It's a text searcher, not looking for blanks or hyphens.
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>>   forgive<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4665,5156&search=give&type=any>
>> give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1644,939,8537,8893,9356,3048,2735,317,6995,4356,6603,2747,8801,6602&search=give&type=any>
>> Give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7529,7528&search=give&type=any>
>> give (2) you give me<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=820,312&search=give&type=any>
>>  give (v) I give you<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=821,6096&search=give&type=any>
>> give myself baby<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1340&search=give&type=any>
>> give up<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9478&search=give&type=any>
>> give-back<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6717&search=give&type=any>
>>  give-cup-to<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1223&search=give&type=any>
>> give-cups-to-several-people<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3193&search=give&type=any>
>> give-gift<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2997&search=give&type=any>
>> give-give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1756&search=give&type=any>
>>  give-out<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4267&search=give&type=any>
>> give-to<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1798&search=give&type=any>
>> give-to-me<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4339&search=give&type=any>
>> give-up<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2075&search=give&type=any>
>>  gives<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5612&search=give&type=any>
>> I give to you<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6995&search=give&type=any>
>> I think the Sign Puddle, for what it does, does a pretty good job.
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>> Try experimenting with the search function as well as particular words.
>> Sign Puddle has been working for many years.
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>> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
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>> sure there are many signs like that.
>> I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
>> Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and "he-give-to-me"
>> otherwise if you search for "give" in search result you would not see
>> "he-give-to-me".
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>> Honza
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>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
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>>> The problem is that ANY language translation program needs to be done
>>> "phrase by phrase" and that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in the
>>> current version of sign puddle.  "I-give-to-him" is another example.  ASL
>>> carries direction in a single sign, so every phrase has to be included in a
>>> comprehensive dictionary.  It will be a challenge for any spoken language to
>>> any signed language and all translation programs have to build in
>>> "proximity" rules for phrases.
>>>
>>> "I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign puddle translation has
>>> to have both phrases.  It will be a challenge for a long time.
>>>
>>> Charles Butler
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>>> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
>>>
>>> sure I know, but it is also how are sings shown. I think it is possible
>>> to do it that way, it is possible than to translate prhases as well, if they
>>> are entered to the puddle.
>>> Right now there is only way - to label more words terms with "-".
>>> so then I am not able to take advantage of having possibility to enter
>>> signs that needs to be labeled with more words.
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Honza
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>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  The problem is with how the sign is entered into the puddle, I think.
>>>> If I enter the (single) sign that would be translated "whats up", I would
>>>> label it as WHAT-UP.  There is no program known that can ACCURATELY
>>>> translate from one language to another (have you SEEN the results from
>>>> Babelfish?!)  All the computer can do is substitute the sign WHAT for what,
>>>> the (English) sigh IS for is, and the sign UP for up.  It can't know that
>>>> the English 'what is up' translates to a single sign, unless you label the
>>>> sign that way when you enter it.
>>>>
>>>> The preceeding message is from a non-programming computer user.  Your
>>>> mileage may vary.  ::grin::
>>>>
>>>> cherie
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
>>>> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
>>>> *Subject:* [sw-l] translating text in signpuddle
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>>>> Hi Val,
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>>>> since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have problems with translating
>>>> text.
>>>> Let me explain. Short example. I need to translate "whats up" in longer
>>>> text.
>>>> So I write "... what is up ..."
>>>> But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT UP .. "
>>>> but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
>>>> So I can do it in some ways (like in sign "what's up" add meaning "what"
>>>> to be shown beside single "what".. or use "-" but that's not what I need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there some way how to make clean translation of phrases into one sign
>>>> (which is already added in to puddle)?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Honza
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