AW: AW: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam

[Stefan Wöhrmann]

Hi Ingvild, Valerie and SW-listers, 

 

Well Ingvild I looked at your spelling of “BAM”  - it is as Valerie said
many times before – all of us are free to write as we want to – as long as
it gives the feeling that what we write is what we want to express ... 

 

In this case you did not want to write a “word”  but a non-manual marker. 

 

I understand – no problem. The same thing is going on in DGS. 

 

Interestingly you found a way to give us some kind of feeling of what it
feels like to perform this “non-manual marker” – obviously I come close to
it if I do some kind of voiceless  “BAM” 

 

Well to perform “BAM”    does not mean to speak a word – it can just be kind
of  playing around with options of possible speech/sound production or even
lip gymnastics. 

 

Well you decided to write this non-manual marker as     “BAM”  but not “BAB”
or “MAM” or “MAB”  

 

The standards in GebaerdenSchrift allow to identify these different options
exactly ...So the signer is going to read what his mouth wants to express as
a “non-manual marker” – not specifically as a word!!  

 

 

Stefan ;-) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Ingvild Roald
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. August 2009 16:00
An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Betreff: RE: AW: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam

 

The explanation is good - for speech reading. But this mouth/lip movement is
not a word, it is a non-manual marker that something is happening very fast.
So I think what I should do is like the one I have attached here, in png and
jpg, (Norwegian 'word' of course not in a Sign Writing document)

Ingvild 



> From: stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: AW: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:29:04 +0200
> 
> Hi Valerie, 
> 
> Your explanation is perfect!
> 
> That is exactly what it means! 
> In fact sometimes the circles show a little gap which gives a hint - kind
of
> artificial support - that a new word begins! 
> 
> All these spellings depend on your interest. If you would like to support
> young deaf students in Germany you better write more of these circles -
> smile - as you can see in many, many videos - this kind of voiceless
> lip-movements are a very important aspect in DGS!
> 
> 
> Stefan ;-) 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie
Sutton
> Gesendet: Montag, 17. August 2009 16:50
> An: SignWriting List
> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam
> 
> SignWriting List
> August 17, 2009
> 
> For me, I read this as a fast movement because it is a series of 
> facial expression symbols linked together...notice how the facial 
> circles are overlapping each other...I think that gives the "feeling" 
> that a word or sound is being written on the lips, and therefore one 
> would assume, that it would be fairly quick, since to make the sound 
> or word on the lips, it would have to be quick...so I guess the speed 
> is assumed...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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