New Czech sign...I wrote these in the Czech SignPuddle

[Adam Frost]

I was thinking about Charles' comment and Val's mentioning about  
writer's choice. I notice that I normally write signs as if they are  
signs that I would sign in my everyday life. In fact, I looked at this  
sign as describing the round shape of something with classifiers even  
before you mentioned it. Now looking back at my writing, I think that  
I would change one little thing that I had written back to what I had  
originally thought of writing but changed because of various reasons.  
I think this gives the feel of the bulb shape more so than my last  
writing. You could add an arrow to it, but I just find it more  
confusing because the arrow wouldn't be between the two "action" hands  
as there is another hand in the way. ;-)



Hmm...I just got thinking about Val's mentioning of writing from a  
little of an angle. That might make it so the arrow will connect the  
"action" hands better. Let's see. :-)



Adam

On Jan 28, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Honza wrote:

> Hi Adam,
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> wathing your writing again, I would agree with this now.
> I think it is clear where are the contacts.
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> Honza
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> wat
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> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Valerie Sutton  
> <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> January 28, 2009
>
> Hello Adam, and everyone!
> In many ways, I agree with you. And your writing is  
> fascinating...The fingers being "sat upon" is fine in that  
> handshape, if the information that the hand went from the tips of  
> the finger to the wrist doesn't matter...If we assume that people  
> already know that sign, and they can read it without the information  
> of the "arc movement back towards the wrist", then your writing is  
> fine!
>
> They are describing the "bulb shape of a pear". So your writing does  
> not give them feeling of describing the curve of the pear-shape. But  
> that may not matter.
>
> If you look at the video and not just my still-photos you can see  
> that they are trying to make a shape of something...but in everyday  
> writing maybe writing that arc is not necessary...because we do not  
> know Czech Sign Language it is hard to say....
>
> I totally agree that the tiny little "Surface Symbols" should not be  
> used if avoided and I like using the Front View of the Heel of the  
> Hand symbol, but the contact from the tips of the fingers to the  
> wrist is what is lacking in many of our attempted  
> writings...including some of my own...as you can see below...scroll  
> down....
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> I think the diagonal writing in my example below is a possibility  
> too...sometimes writing something straight front is harder...
>
> Val ;-)
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> On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
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> I have been following this with some interest. I haven't said  
> anything since I had no idea how better to write it then what has  
> been said. That was until now. :-) First thought was, why change  
> from the top view of the left hand to the wrist view? (If that is  
> what it is called, HA!) What I mean is that they mean the same, but  
> I think in this case the wrist view actually works better in  
> readability. Secondly, if you have the beginning and ending  
> positions, why do you need the arrows? Isn't the movement already  
> apparent? The reason I thought of this was because of the writing of  
> the ASL  sign "meaning" although I think I have a different idea for  
> writing that, but I will save that for another time. ;-)
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> So having thought about that, I think that I would write it like this.
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> I don't know about having the last position of the right hand  
> covering some of the left hand, but I think it is clear as to where  
> the hand is rather than having to resort to "the other symbols" for  
> more detail. (If you can't guess, I avoid writing with them at all  
> costs. Ha!) What do you think?
>
> Adam
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