Liquid sign

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Sun Mar 8 00:03:29 UTC 2009

Hello Everyone -
I am being terribly naughty because I have a super huge pile of work I  
must finish this weekend - Monday is a very big day for us and I guess  
I will be up all night with so many exciting projects...

But here is my last attempt for today...which I know I said before  
too ;-))

For me, there needs to be a curved wave...the straight Wrist Flex  
Symbols do not show the curving feeling...I think this writing that I  
am attaching is way tooooo much information, but it shows the detail  
of the fact that there is a real wave happening here, not just a  
straight flex up and is more than that...nor is it just a is like a continuous ongoing wave that circles back to its  
original start, and I suspect that none of our writings today have  
captured it completely...

But someday we will get it...

I like the humps too, Charles...but I also understand why Adam and  
Natasha are feeling a wrist flex, because it is actually both a hump  
and a wrist flex combined...

Anyway...look at this silly writing I just did for fun! There is still  
more to this movement, namely the returning to the beginning again to  
repeat it...I normally wouldn't write that, as I already explained in  
my original writing, but nonetheless, writing this out this way gives  
us a feel for what is happening...

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Now I really am turning my internet off, so I can complete three  
important and fun jobs...Cherie will be teaching at the end of the  
month in Alabama and I am doing web pages for that workshop, plus the  
New Jersey School for the Deaf is now getting their books on  
Monday...I am shipping them...and then at the end of this week there  
is a conference here in San Diego on Deaf Education, called the CAL-ED  
Conference, and Dr. Cecilia Flood and Deaf teacher Marty Carlson will  
be coming to San Diego, from the Albuquerque Public Schools, to attend  
the conference. It will be great to see them again...I am preparing  
papers for that event as well...So I will be online again on Monday  
with all kinds of cool announcements...I am also working on Steve's  
outstanding software creating a new package to sell on the internet  
and to make our lives so much better with new offline  
features...please forgive my tardiness on completing that product  
which everyone needs...and which Steve worked soo hard on...I have had  
so many things happen at the same time here that each project has been  
later than expected...

I am grateful to know you all!

Val ;-)


On Mar 7, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Hmm. I like the hump this way, it does go up and down and up again.
> Charles
> From: SignWriting <signwriting at>
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> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 5:50:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Liquid sign
> SignWriting List
> March 7, 2009
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:
> > I think I over emphasized the movement in the video...  It isnt  
> really that large normally, and I normally only do 2 repetitions  
> when its in a sentence.  When I was analyzing the movement, I looked  
> at just one hand and imagined a dot on the hand and tried to  
> visualize its path of motion, thats where I got the circle.  I knew  
> it wasn't ...good enough... complete... right... whatever- but  
> didn't know what else to do.  It does have a "to the right- to the  
> right" wave feel, but.....  but I don't know.  My first thought was  
> a figure eight, because of the wave and then back to starting motion.
> > cherie
> Hello Cherie -
> This is an excellent sign to discuss and I suspect the discussion  
> will go on for weeks!!
> Today here is my last attempt (I have to go to an appointment now  
> and will turn my computer off for the day)...
> I am looking forward to other people's writing...I am sure we can  
> find something that becomes well accepted over time...
> Some signs just take time...I want to thank you, Adam, and Natasha  
> and Cherie for your videos - those are really a help...and also  
> Stefan and Charles, for your writing and comments...
> Years ago, we had a little unspoken rule that if we wanted Wrist  
> Motion, we added an arm line, or a tiny wrist line, at an angle to  
> the handshape...and that would indicate that there is Wrist Motion  
> during an arm movement...if the arm line or wrist line was at an  
> angle to the other words...if the Wrist looked flexed  
> already, in the starting position of the sign, then it meant that  
> wrist motion continued throughout the sign...
> I haven't mentioned that old rule for years, but it is an idea that  
> we could develop further...
> Anyway, here is another way of writing the sign based on that idea,  
> creating the look or feel of a wrist flex, by adding the arm lines...
> How does this feel, Natasha and Adam?
> have a great Saturday, everyone!
> Val ;-)
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