Writing Heads Facing the Front Corner...something new ; -)

Thu Mar 19 14:41:14 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
March 19, 2009

Yes, Bill, you explained this so much better than I can...Thank you.  
And thank you too, Charles...I am sorry your hands cramp when you are  
typing at a computer...that must be awful...

and no one has to use these symbols...I was just sharing with all of  
you.

The simple darkening of the shoulder line (at the end of the shoulder  
that is closer to the reader), and the simple darkening of the side of  
the head that is closer to the reader, gives us quick and simple  
information about facing the front corner, that is easy to write by  
hand, that helps us eliminate other symbols, and that helps us clarify  
the differences between facing the front corner and other symbols, and  
is already in the International SignWriting Alphabet...as you can see  
by this attached. No new symbols have to be added, since they are  
already there...We do not have to add another 8 heads at all...there  
are only 2...one facing the the left front corner and one facing the  
right front corner...that is all...

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And also, for clarification...You do not have to use all the symbols  
in the ISWA...

I don't use all the symbols in the ISWA...the ISWA is designed to give  
people all over the world the symbols they need to write their signed  
languages, but not all signed languages need all those symbols...and  
not all writers choose to use all those symbols...so we just pick and  
choose the symbols we choose to write...Out of the over 200 handshapes  
in the ISWA, ASL only uses around 100 of those...And the ISWA will not  
be changed now...it is my final symbolset, and from here, we can  
create smaller symbolsets for each sign language later, once we know  
what symbols are needed and not needed in each language...and you can  
construct the symbols you need, Charles, so whatever works for you is  
fine with me...I am happy I had the strength last year to complete the  
ISWA 2008...

I am now focusing on updating the Cat in the Hat document , so I can  
get a box of goodies and documents shipped to Alabama for Cherie's  
workshop - It was fun to share with you....

Have a wonderful day everyone!

Val ;-)

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On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> That is a good way of teaching it, I guess in typing it you have to  
> dig for more signs.  In  writing  it, it  becomes more  compact.
>
> I guess it's the keyboardist in  me (my hands cramp), that I want  
> fewer keystrokes or clicks to get to a particular cluster.
>
> Charles
>
>
> From: Bill Reese <wreese01 at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:48:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Writing Heads Facing the Front  
> Corner...something new ; -)
>
> There's two ways of looking at that, Charles.  If you were a scribe  
> using ink on paper, you could easily make one side of the face  
> thicker by pressing more firmly on the ink pen as you round out the  
> face.  The sign appears simpler, as there are less symbols to the  
> sign.  I believe that's what's happening here with these face  
> symbols, too - that although there are more symbols in the symbol  
> set, the use of them makes for a simpler sign.
>
> Bill
>
> Charles Butler wrote:
>>
>> I guess what I am talking  about is the multiplicity of symbols.   
>> If you add more darkened heads, rather than adding one symbol, a  
>> face-direction darkening arc, you add another 8 heads.
>>
>> Looking at the IMWA,  I'm  getting to the point of throwing up my  
>> hands.  Rather than keeping the symbol set simple, each new feature  
>> becomes additive to something old, so that, for example, the wrist  
>> line is being added to each movement arc to hold it in place  
>> rather  than having the wrist line separate and all the darkening  
>> arcs for the head separate.
>>
>> If the head is one thing, seen  from the back, or from the front,  
>> or the side, you then have an arc, one symbol, not a darkened head  
>> on one side.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> From: Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:26:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Writing Heads Facing the Front  
>> Corner...something new ; -)
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> March 18, 2009
>>
>> Thanks for the message below, Charles -
>>
>> The symbols that I was showing are from the Front View...or perhaps  
>> a better way to explain it is that the reader is standing behind  
>> the signer and viewing the head from that perspective...
>>
>> If you want to view the head from the overhead top view, you  
>> certainly can, or even the side view...all those opportunities are  
>> there for you with the ISWA 2008 symbolset...You can easily write  
>> what you posted in your message, Charles, with the ISWA symbolset...
>>
>> These symbols for the head facing the front corner are already in  
>> the ISWA 2008 symbolset too. No one has to use them however...that  
>> is a choice. I like them a lot and use them daily now, when writing  
>> storytelling from video...so they are working for me and i know  
>> others who are writing with them too...
>>
>> If you are standing behind the signer and the signer turns to the  
>> front corner, the side of the head that is closer to the reader can  
>> be darkened...here is another example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ---------
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>
>> > Would not having a "facial turn" arc serve better rather than  
>> having a whole new stack of heads.  That  way it could be moved  
>> around to any side of the face to show that the whole head and body  
>> turns without  adding more heads to the system.
>> >
>> > I'm thinking of something like this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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