Grammar rules

[Jonathan]

On 08/01/2010 2:59 AM, Sandy Fleming wrote:
> I would love to write some grammar rules for SignWriting BSL: that sort
> of thing would help people to write with more confidence, I think, but I
> don't really feel qualified.
>    
Hi everybody,
     I am enjoying your posts very much.  I feel the need to start 
investigating more about Honduran Sign Language (LESHO) grammar.  I 
asked at the Deaf association and it seems that nobody has studied LESHO 
grammar yet.  When we get to writing full articles in LESHO it will be 
important include the gramatical non-manual markers in the writing too.  
Have any of you had any experience analyzing a sign language whose 
grammatical rules haven't been published yet?

Jonathan
> Sandy
>
> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:20 +0000, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>    
>> Hi Shane,
>>
>> Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like
>>
>> PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist
>> <shane.gilchrist.oheorpa at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Dear Gan,
>>>
>>> we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English
>>> language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)
>>>
>>> I made food:
>>>
>>> - FOOD COOK^nodding
>>> - FOOD COOK PAST
>>> - FOOD COOK FINISHED!
>>>
>>> non-manual features are very important here.
>>>
>>> Shane
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/1/6 Gan  Lu<glu at uclan.ac.uk>:
>>>        
>>>> Hi Charles;
>>>>
>>>>    Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created' then?
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks
>>>>   Gan
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>>>> "Charles Butler"<chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>  06/01/10 1:54 PM>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>> Hmm.  In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or "create".  The tense is carried by the situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> create
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Gan Lu<glu at uclan.ac.uk>
>>>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM
>>>> Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
>>>>
>>>> Dear Adam and Valerie;
>>>>
>>>>    I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
>>>>
>>>>      why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made' on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
>>>>
>>>>      I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense, and there is no ASL for it.
>>>>
>>>>   The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze the word 'made' into a box.
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks
>>>> Gan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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