Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

[Jonathan Duncan]

On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr wrote:
> On 8/12/14, 3:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>> Hi Charles,
>>     I enjoyed your symposium *"Ordering Signs in Dictionaries" 
>> http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html
>> * I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find you a 
>> solution.  Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would have an 
>> easy way for you to do your sorting.
>
> There are 2 different issues involved here: the sorting mechanics and 
> the sorting theory.
>
> Sorting Mechanics
> ============
> The mechanics are simple.  A linear ordered sequence of symbols can be 
> assigned to any sign.  The symbols automatically sort according to the 
> ISWA 2010 default order using a binary string comparison.  In our 
> programs we can use > greater than or < less than comparisons.  From a 
> database, we can use a simple "order by" clause.
>
> For each symbol, there are 2 kinds of mechanical sorting.  The major 
> sorting between symbols and the minor sorting within symbol bases.
>
> For the major sorting between symbols, the list below is sorted by the 
> default ISWA 2010 order.  Order other than this are possible, but 
> require an additional step of creating a custom ordering of the 
> symbols.  Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been implemented.  
> Unicode has a way to reorder the major sorting issues involving 
> special weights for each symbol base.
>
>
>
> For the minor sorting within the symbols, the default order starts 
> with Fill 1 and Rotation 1.  Next is Fill 1 with Rotation 2, then the 
> rest of the rotations for Fill 1.  After that are the symbols with 
> Fill 2.  Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been implemented.  This 
> may be an issue when the default ISWA 2010 order is not the desired 
> order. 

This is what I got from Charles talk too.
> Unicode may possibly have a way to reorder the minor sorting, but I'm 
> not sure.

>
>
>
>
> Sorting Theory
> =========
> For sorting, the linear ordered list of symbols can be created using 
> any writing symbols and any detailed location symbols.
>
> Creating the special sorting requires crafting a special sequence.
>
> If I understood Charles correctly, he would want to use Head Rims.
>
>
>
> Head Rims have a default sort order of the following...
>
>
> So the first symbol in the ordered sequence would be the dominant hand 
> shape.  The next would be the appropriate Head Rim.  The third symbol 
> would be the non-dominant hand.
This is interesting.  I hope Charles will be able to elaborate a little 
more how he is ordering the sequence and whether he hopes it can be done 
automatically or if we have to do it manually.

Regards,
Jonathan
>
> Regards,
> -Steve
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