[Sw-l] [SPAM] RE: Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols

Tue Feb 6 02:36:22 UTC 2018

SignWriting List
February 5, 2018

Hello Rachel and everyone -
Sorry for my delay - it is hard for me to work these days, so much is happening here.

Of course you are right that when an arm rotates, that the baby finger moves one direction and the thumb the opposite direction. In the case of the forearm with the double line parallel with the Front Wall Plane, the curves are single-stemmed curved arrows that are parallel with the floor. The baby finger's curve is always hitting the front wall (the curve looks like it is up but it is forward) and the thumb is always creating a curve that hits the back wall plane or moves back towards your chest - that curve is always down on the page which means back towards your chest.

So now let's take the sign for DOOR. If your thumbs are touching each other with the flat hands showing that the doors are closed, it has to be your thumb that does the movement opening. If your thumbs are touching in the beginning position and one of them opens, then once again it has to be your thumb that opens the movement. That is of course if your doors are hinged so they are opening and closing towards your chest - so the ASL sign for DOOR is always a thumb movement...here is an attached diagram...three writers...

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> On Feb 5, 2018, at 6:16 PM, rchannon1 at VERIZON.NET wrote:
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> Hi Valerie, I’ve started looking through the lessons.   Several times, I see the statement: imagine that you have black ink on your thumb or pinky…
> The problem that I have is that when the forearm rotates the thumb and pinky move in opposite directions.  
> In CLOSE-a-door, I start with my right palm facing left, and end with the palm facing the viewer.   
> The thumb curves OUT to viewer & LEFT.  
> The pinky curves    IN to signer     & RIGHT.  
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> So should I use this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that looks like the thumb movement:
> <image006.png>
> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the pinky is doing?
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> <image007.png>
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> And of course, the reverse question holds for OPEN-a-door:
> Should I use  this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that looks like the PINKY movement 
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> <image006.png>
> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the THUMB is doing?
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> <image007.png>
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> If I can choose whichever one I feel like, then it seems to me that I would not be able to say whether I was opening or closing the door.   Am I thinking right?
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> If I am thinking right, then that is fine, and I will just list the rotation symbols as forearm rotation without trying to decide which way the forearm rotates.  But if that information is there in the symbol, it would be good to capture it.
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> Rachel 
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> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
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> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols
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> SignWriting List
> February 3, 2018
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> Good Saturday everyone!
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> Yes, this is a fun discussion on Rotation Symbols.
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> We are having electricity problems in my home (where I work), and an electrician is on his way to help us. I do not know how long the repairs will take, but it may be all day, so I will not be able to answer or discuss anything until tomorrow, Sunday. I look forward to it!
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> But one point while I can chat... We have some eLessons on our web site, teaching the Rotation Symbols in conjunction with other Curved Movements, and the eLessons use the wonderful illustrations by Steve Parkhurst (thank you again Steve ;-).
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> If you go through each web page, and scroll down and read everything there, I think it might become clearer... Start with this web page:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html>
> (remember to scroll down)
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> and keep reading through this web page:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html>
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> and then other web pages:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html>
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> and an important one:
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html>
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> It explains where to place the Rotation Symbols...above or below the hands? See screen capture below. This is related to the Pinkie and Thumb - but that we need another discussion for - There are rules for that too, but they are not posted in eLessons yet and I think they should be...
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> Have a great day everyone!
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> <image001.png>
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