[Sw-l] [SPAM] RE: Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols

Tue Feb 6 02:16:51 UTC 2018

Hi Valerie, I've started looking through the lessons.   Several times, I see
the statement: imagine that you have black ink on your thumb or pinky.

The problem that I have is that when the forearm rotates the thumb and pinky
move in opposite directions.  

In CLOSE-a-door, I start with my right palm facing left, and end with the
palm facing the viewer.   

The thumb curves OUT to viewer & LEFT.  

The pinky curves    IN to signer     & RIGHT.  

So should I use this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that
looks like the thumb movement:

OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the pinky is doing?

And of course, the reverse question holds for OPEN-a-door:

Should I use  this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that
looks like the PINKY movement 

OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the THUMB is doing?

If I can choose whichever one I feel like, then it seems to me that I would
not be able to say whether I was opening or closing the door.   Am I
thinking right?

If I am thinking right, then that is fine, and I will just list the rotation
symbols as forearm rotation without trying to decide which way the forearm
rotates.  But if that information is there in the symbol, it would be good
to capture it.

Rachel 

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February 3, 2018

Good Saturday everyone!

Yes, this is a fun discussion on Rotation Symbols.

We are having electricity problems in my home (where I work), and an
electrician is on his way to help us. I do not know how long the repairs
will take, but it may be all day, so I will not be able to answer or discuss
anything until tomorrow, Sunday. I look forward to it!

But one point while I can chat... We have some eLessons on our web site,
teaching the Rotation Symbols in conjunction with other Curved Movements,
and the eLessons use the wonderful illustrations by Steve Parkhurst (thank
you again Steve ;-).

If you go through each web page, and scroll down and read everything there,
I think it might become clearer... Start with this web page:

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html

(remember to scroll down)

and keep reading through this web page:

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html

and then other web pages:

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html

and an important one:

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html

It explains where to place the Rotation Symbols...above or below the hands?
See screen capture below. This is related to the Pinkie and Thumb - but that
we need another discussion for - There are rules for that too, but they are
not posted in eLessons yet and I think they should be...

Have a great day everyone!

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