[Sw-l] order of phonology

Wed Oct 9 01:17:49 UTC 2019

I’m not sure if I understand what you mean by phonological order, João, but I think I can try.

The 4 syllables that Valerie mentioned in her document are beginning hand positions, movements, ending hand positions, and location & facial expressions.

The hand syllables can have the dominant hand and then the non-dominant hand.

The movement syllables can have the movement between the beginning and ending hands in the order that the occur phonetically. If there is a contact followed by an arm movement, the arm movement would not be placed before the contact. However, if the arm movement occurs before the contact, then the contact wouldn’t be before the arm movement.

I generally place the location symbols before the facial expressions for the 4th syllable if there are both in one sign.

Unless I am wrong, I feel that these 4 syllables can be repeated if necessary. Most signs only have 1 main location written, but there are times when there are more than one. I’ll use a writing for the sign DEAF.

This is more detailed than I would personally write it, but it will make my point more clear.

I would order this sign as followed:

Notice that the last 2 symbols are in a repeated syllable set. There are no hand symbols in the second set of syllables because there is no change from the beginning hand symbol.

Of course, Valerie might disagree with my example all together, and that is alright. I haven’t done much with SignSpelling Sequences like she has. ;-)

Adam

> On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
> 
> SignWriting List
> October 8, 2019
> 
> Hi João -
> The symbols themselves have an order too. The SignSpelling Sequence works together with the established order of symbols in the International SignWriting Alphabet. The order of the symbols and the order of the SignSpelling work together to make sorting dictionaries work. Here is another document that might be of interest:
> 
> The SignWriting Alphabet (lists the order of symbols or SignSymbolSequence)
> http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0636_SignWriting_Alphabet_Manual_2010.pdf <http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0636_SignWriting_Alphabet_Manual_2010.pdf>
> 
> So based on the sequence of symbols in the SignWriting Alphabet, a handshape is sorted first by Palm Orientation and then by Rotation (Angle). 
> 
> If you need more detail I will be delighted to help you with examples.
> 
> Unfortuantely I have two deadlines that are taking my time this evening, but later I look forward to working with you on this.
> 
> Adam, do you know better how to explain phonological order?
> 
> Val ;-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:49 PM João Paulo Ampessan <joamp29 at gmail.com <mailto:joamp29 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I see, I want to ask you something, you explained about the SignSpelling Sequence, there are 3 syllable categories 1 to 4, but there are no details like the phonological order, for example which manual setting is the first? clap orientation? movement? location? etc. you only show signs, I want parameters and phonological order with details.
> 
> Sorry, I'm very bad english, I realized that I wrote does'nt  clarity. I hope you understand.
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1>________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1>

________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist

Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20191008/95488302/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Screen Shot 2019-10-08 at 6.05.26 PM.png
Type: image/png
Size: 8359 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20191008/95488302/attachment.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: glyphogram.png
Type: image/png
Size: 3826 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20191008/95488302/attachment-0001.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: namesign.png
Type: image/png
Size: 440 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20191008/95488302/attachment-0002.png>