[Sw-l] Sign Maker - Collecting ideas for faster writing
Jonathan Duncan
joyoduncan at GMAIL.COM
Sun Dec 5 23:12:23 UTC 2021
Hi Uta,
You can use a keyboard or a mouse, one or the other will work, and
the arrows and hands displayed in a circle so that you can go from one
to another really quickly and also change from front plane to floor plane.
As for the grouping of the hands,
As you can see, each hand shape has different background color. The
first ones are more fist like and progress to the more flat handed.
The columns denote how many fingers are are separated from the others.
The first column is thumb or no thumb and no other fingers separate.
The second is one finger and or thumb.
The third is two fingers and or thumb.
The fourth is 3 fingers and or thumb.
the fifth is 4 fingers and or thumb.
You will also see that the same color background has different
sections. These separate the finger straightness, straight, bent, hook,
crossed, etc.
The common tab are a subset the hand shapes most used in the sign
languages I use. I was planning on moving more from the all hand shapes
to it if people start using it with other sign languages. The all is all
of the hand shapes, and the not common are the ones not in the common tab.
What ever is on the keyboard is reflecting what is in the choosers so
you don't need to use a mouse if you don't want to.
You can also move between the choosers with the keyboard
Shift-1 Mannequin
@
Shift-2 Secondary chooser (hand shapes, arrows, etc)
#
Shift-3 Third and forth choosers, symbol rotation
Shift-4 Sign Area editing
I hope that makes it a bit easier to understand.
Jonathan
On 11/29/2021 3:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
> Dear Jonathan,
>
> Thank you for sharing the link to signEditor. It's nice that there are
> several and that you can try them out and that new ideas can also
> arise in this way.
>
> I got to know your tool and find it interesting. The idea of placing
> symbols on a human image is a good one. :) You can find the symbols
> better there.
>
> Did I understand correctly that you need a keyboard AND a mouse?
> Selection of symbols with the mouse and selection of rotation and
> localization with the keyboard. Oh and also finer selection, e.g.
> arrow for right or left hand.
>
> What interests me is the criteria according to which the hand shapes
> are grouped.
> According to Papaspyrou, DGS has 30 phonemes. And we haven't been able
> to group them to our satisfaction. Therefore, we have all shwon
> neutral. Only the placement of the hand shapes is deliberately chosen.
> Similar ones lie next to each other.
>
> We cannot take over grouping by numbers at signPuddle, as it is still
> difficult for us to choose the right group when we are looking for a
> certain hand shape.
>
> Greetings Uta
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:46 PM Jonathan Duncan
> <joyoduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no saving capability in this
> one, but the same is in SignWriter Studio and can save) Try it here.
>
> https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/
>
> or
>
> https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
> > Hi Uta,
> >
> > I agree that is a very useful idea. I found myself copying
> > existing signs and modifying them to save work. Mostly I had to
> > remember the signs I needed to copy them and modify them.
> >
> > It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature that does just
> that.
> > Import your puddle, then start writing and it can filter the
> puddle to
> > show signs that match on the left. Alas, you can't easily save the
> > sign back to the public puddles.
> >
> > SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol too and you can
> > import a puddle to have a starting point. And you can also
> duplicate
> > entries to easily modify the duplicated one. And if you have a
> > SignPuddle account you can save it back to the public puddle.
> It also
> > has quick sign editor which makes it easier to get to all the
> symbols
> > and easily change a symbol to another rotation etc. However it only
> > works on Windows. If you're interested, I can show you how to
> do it
> > on a Zoom call.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> So far, we, delegs (is working with sign2mint), have received
> about
> >> 2000 videos and have also transcribed them. We have been able
> to gain
> >> a lot of experience with signwriting.
> >>
> >> Who also has experience?
> >>
> >> We need about one hour for 20 videos and that is too much. We
> want to
> >> go faster. One video is only about 2 seconds long.
> >>
> >> My suggestion:
> >> - Sign search must be built in, because many signs are similar.
> And
> >> it should be suggested signs and if I find a similar one, then I
> >> choose it and adjust it.
> >> - Handshape symbol should always be placed in the middle if
> neutral
> >> (want to avoid long dragging)
> >> - Language selection should lead to reduction of symbols like hand
> >> shapes. DGS, for example, has only about 60 hand shapes.
> >> - Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical should be inserted
> >> automatically.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> I am looking forward to our animated exchange!
> >>
> >> Best regards Uta
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