[Sw-l] Sign Maker - Collecting ideas for faster writing
Stephen Slevinski
slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
Mon Nov 29 14:29:55 UTC 2021
Hi Uta,
You may be interested in my presentation about SignMaker with video and
slides.
https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html
Regards,
-Steve
On 11/29/21 5:32 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. She helps a lot. :)
> And I used the time to get to know signMaker better. Not just writing,
> but getting to know the import and export function.
>
> I have questions:
> - I want to import a js-File.
> -> I chose "Mehr" (more) "System" (system) , then "Dictionary source",
> then "Import Dictionary". Nothing happens. So, I copied part of the
> exported file and pasted it into the empty text box for javaScript
> text. Nothing happens. Then I clicked "Import Dictionary", hoping that
> the dictionary would now be loaded. Nothing happens.
>
> What should I do to get a private dictionary?
>
> "It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet information using
> a link such as:
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53
> <https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53>,
> which is the DGS dictionary puddle."
>
> Is it possible to change the alphabet? Or we get a new item? I'm not
> very familiar with FSW, it would be cool if we can adjust
> the groupings too.
>
>
> "Another avenue that I haven’t used much lately is the RAND keyboard
> that is connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs
> pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it also uses
> many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it has several of the
> desired features mentioned. I can explain that some if you would like."
>
> I don't know this, but I like learning. :)
>
> Greetings
> Uta
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:39 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Uta and all,
>
> Got a good discussion going on. So there's a lot to say. :-)
>
> I have transcribed several signs, but mostly from personal
> knowledge rather than videos. Still, I can see taking 3 minutes
> for each sign can be too long. I am not sure how long it takes me
> to directly transcribe. I think it really depends on the sign, but
> I don’t think it takes me an average of 3 minutes a sign. Maybe 2
> or 1 1/2. But that is still about 30-40 minutes for 20 signs,
> which might be longer than you would like.
>
> A lot of times, I do as others have mentioned, copying signs
> previously written elsewhere, and then modify it as needed. I
> usually use SignPuddle to Search by Symbol to find something that
> I am looking for. Although I have gotten pretty good at using the
> Drag and Drop method in SignPuddle to transcribe directly without
> searching and then editing.
>
> As far as using a smaller symbol set (or alphabet) than the ISWA,
> it is possible within SignMaker 2017. You can select the alphabet
> used by a specific SignPuddle. I use that sometimes as well. Then
> I copy the FSW and import it into SignPuddle as you can’t directly
> save back into the SignPuddle. (You might have to go into More >
> Preferences and select FSW to get that code under the Edit tab.)
> Although SignMaker 2017 does have a My Local Dictionary feature
> that you can copy, export, and import with other dictionaries and
> then you can edit information directly into the dictionary locally.
>
> It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet information
> using a link such as:
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53
> <https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53>,
> which is the DGS dictionary puddle.
>
> Here is the link for SignMaker 2017 using the DGS SignPuddle with
> its alphabet:
> https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg
> <https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg>.
>
> Another avenue that I haven’t used much lately is the RAND
> keyboard that is connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing
> signs pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it
> also uses many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it has
> several of the desired features mentioned. I can explain that some
> if you would like.
>
> That is what I currently use for transcription. Now if we want to
> talk about improving things for the better, I like the idea of the
> stylus input and IME. I don’t have a lot of programming experience
> in those matters, but I suspect that it is possible to create with
> SignWriting.
>
>
> Adam
>
>> On Nov 26, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Duncan
>> <joyoduncan at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no saving capability in
>> this one, but the same is in SignWriter Studio and can save) Try
>> it here.
>>
>> https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/
>>
>> or
>>
>> https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>>> Hi Uta,
>>>
>>> I agree that is a very useful idea. I found myself copying
>>> existing signs and modifying them to save work. Mostly I had to
>>> remember the signs I needed to copy them and modify them.
>>>
>>> It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature that does just
>>> that. Import your puddle, then start writing and it can filter
>>> the puddle to show signs that match on the left. Alas, you
>>> can't easily save the sign back to the public puddles.
>>>
>>> SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol too and you can
>>> import a puddle to have a starting point. And you can also
>>> duplicate entries to easily modify the duplicated one. And if
>>> you have a SignPuddle account you can save it back to the public
>>> puddle. It also has quick sign editor which makes it easier to
>>> get to all the symbols and easily change a symbol to another
>>> rotation etc. However it only works on Windows. If you're
>>> interested, I can show you how to do it on a Zoom call.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> So far, we, delegs (is working with sign2mint), have received
>>>> about 2000 videos and have also transcribed them. We have been
>>>> able to gain a lot of experience with signwriting.
>>>>
>>>> Who also has experience?
>>>>
>>>> We need about one hour for 20 videos and that is too much. We
>>>> want to go faster. One video is only about 2 seconds long.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion:
>>>> - Sign search must be built in, because many signs are similar.
>>>> And it should be suggested signs and if I find a similar one,
>>>> then I choose it and adjust it.
>>>> - Handshape symbol should always be placed in the middle if
>>>> neutral (want to avoid long dragging)
>>>> - Language selection should lead to reduction of symbols like
>>>> hand shapes. DGS, for example, has only about 60 hand shapes.
>>>> - Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical should be inserted
>>>> automatically.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> I am looking forward to our animated exchange!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards Uta
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