[Sw-l] Sign Maker - Collecting ideas for faster writing

Stephen Slevinski slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
Mon Nov 29 14:29:55 UTC 2021


Hi Uta,

You may be interested in my presentation about SignMaker with video and 
slides.
https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html

Regards,
-Steve

On 11/29/21 5:32 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. She helps a lot. :) 
> And I used the time to get to know signMaker better. Not just writing, 
> but getting to know the import and export function.
>
> I have questions:
> - I want to import a js-File.
> -> I chose "Mehr" (more) "System" (system) , then "Dictionary source", 
> then "Import Dictionary". Nothing happens. So, I copied part of the 
> exported file and pasted it into the empty text box for javaScript 
> text. Nothing happens. Then I clicked "Import Dictionary", hoping that 
> the dictionary would now be loaded. Nothing happens.
>
> What should I do to get a private dictionary?
>
> "It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet information using 
> a link such as: 
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53 
> <https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53>, 
> which is the DGS dictionary puddle."
>
> Is it possible to change the alphabet? Or we get a new item? I'm not 
> very familiar with FSW, it would be cool if we can adjust 
> the groupings too.
>
>
> "Another avenue that I haven’t used much lately is the RAND keyboard 
> that is connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs 
> pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it also uses 
> many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it has several of the 
> desired features mentioned. I can explain that some if you would like."
>
> I don't know this, but I like learning. :)
>
> Greetings
> Uta
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:39 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hello Uta and all,
>
>     Got a good discussion going on. So there's a lot to say. :-)
>
>     I have transcribed several signs, but mostly from personal
>     knowledge rather than videos. Still, I can see taking 3 minutes
>     for each sign can be too long. I am not sure how long it takes me
>     to directly transcribe. I think it really depends on the sign, but
>     I don’t think it takes me an average of 3 minutes a sign. Maybe 2
>     or 1 1/2. But that is still about 30-40 minutes for 20 signs,
>     which might be longer than you would like.
>
>     A lot of times, I do as others have mentioned, copying signs
>     previously written elsewhere, and then modify it as needed. I
>     usually use SignPuddle to Search by Symbol to find something that
>     I am looking for. Although I have gotten pretty good at using the
>     Drag and Drop method in SignPuddle to transcribe directly without
>     searching and then editing.
>
>     As far as using a smaller symbol set (or alphabet) than the ISWA,
>     it is possible within SignMaker 2017.  You can select the alphabet
>     used by a specific SignPuddle. I use that sometimes as well. Then
>     I copy the FSW and import it into SignPuddle as you can’t directly
>     save back into the SignPuddle. (You might have to go into More >
>     Preferences and select FSW to get that code under the Edit tab.)
>     Although SignMaker 2017 does have a My Local Dictionary feature
>     that you can copy, export, and import with other dictionaries and
>     then you can edit information directly into the dictionary locally.
>
>     It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet information
>     using a link such as:
>     https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53
>     <https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53>,
>     which is the DGS dictionary puddle.
>
>     Here is the link for SignMaker 2017 using the DGS SignPuddle with
>     its alphabet:
>     https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg
>     <https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg>.
>
>     Another avenue that I haven’t used much lately is the RAND
>     keyboard that is connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing
>     signs pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it
>     also uses many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it has
>     several of the desired features mentioned. I can explain that some
>     if you would like.
>
>     That is what I currently use for transcription. Now if we want to
>     talk about improving things for the better, I like the idea of the
>     stylus input and IME. I don’t have a lot of programming experience
>     in those matters, but I suspect that it is possible to create with
>     SignWriting.
>
>
>     Adam
>
>>     On Nov 26, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Duncan
>>     <joyoduncan at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>>     If you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no saving capability in
>>     this one, but the same is in SignWriter Studio and can save) Try
>>     it here.
>>
>>     https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/
>>
>>     or
>>
>>     https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en
>>
>>     Jonathan
>>
>>     On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>>>     Hi Uta,
>>>
>>>         I agree that is a very useful idea. I found myself copying
>>>     existing signs and modifying them to save work.  Mostly I had to
>>>     remember the signs I needed to copy them and modify them.
>>>
>>>         It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature that does just
>>>     that.  Import your puddle, then start writing and it can filter
>>>     the puddle to show signs that match on the left.  Alas, you
>>>     can't easily save the sign back to the public puddles.
>>>
>>>         SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol too and you can
>>>     import a puddle to have a starting point. And you can also
>>>     duplicate entries to easily modify the duplicated one. And if
>>>     you have a SignPuddle account you can save it back to the public
>>>     puddle.  It also has quick sign editor which makes it easier to
>>>     get to all the symbols and easily change a symbol to another
>>>     rotation etc. However it only works on Windows.  If you're
>>>     interested, I can show you how to do it on a Zoom call.
>>>
>>>     Jonathan
>>>
>>>     On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
>>>>     Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>     So far, we, delegs (is working with sign2mint), have received
>>>>     about 2000 videos and have also transcribed them. We have been
>>>>     able to gain a lot of experience with signwriting.
>>>>
>>>>     Who also has experience?
>>>>
>>>>     We need about one hour for 20 videos and that is too much. We
>>>>     want to go faster. One video is only about 2 seconds long.
>>>>
>>>>     My suggestion:
>>>>     - Sign search must be built in, because many signs are similar.
>>>>     And it should be suggested signs and if I find a similar one,
>>>>     then I choose it and adjust it.
>>>>     - Handshape symbol should always be placed in the middle if
>>>>     neutral (want to avoid long dragging)
>>>>     - Language selection should lead to reduction of symbols like
>>>>     hand shapes. DGS, for example, has only about 60 hand shapes.
>>>>     - Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical should be inserted
>>>>     automatically.
>>>>
>>>>     What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>     I am looking forward to our animated exchange!
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards Uta
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