[Sw-l] Rules or not?

Fri Aug 19 05:24:59 UTC 2022

Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!

The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by Josenilson
provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in Brazil, because as the symbol
(*) was not written to touch, I understand that there is ambiguity, as I
could read the writing as the sign was in front of the body, in neutral
space, or as there is facial expression marking of teeth movement, it could
be read as the front of the face.

  I also have some doubts about how to write locations, especially writing
sign that is performed with facial expression.

Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope you understand
the doubts.

Thank you for all your support!

Att,

Rubens Almeida

Link:

 https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo

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Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <
jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:

>  Thank you very much!
> Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.
>
> Josenilson Mendes
>
>
> Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton <
> sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> August 11, 2022
>>
>> Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:
>>
>> Based on this video:
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>
>> I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and wrote the sign
>> based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always write the Position of Contact,
>> and SignSpelling Guideline 2: The Position of Contact becomes the Center of
>> the Sign with the Movement Symbols relating to the Center. Please see
>> attached. I will write another email with more detailed explanation and
>> links to the SignSpelling Guidelines later…. Thanks for the great question
>> and feel free to comment - this is fun to be back in touch!
>>
>>
>> _________________
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> August 11, 2022
>>
>> Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!
>>
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>
>> My answer is coming… Val ;-)
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <
>> jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
>>
>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <
>> jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> escreveu:
>> SignWriting List
>> August 9, 2022
>>
>> Very interesting.
>>
>> Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will really help.
>>
>> You are correct that simple contact is quite different than actually
>> grasping clothing or holding a belly. The Grasp Symbol was developed to
>> show holding something. For example holding somebody else's hand in dance,
>> or pinching your ear, or pinching your clothing. But if the hands are only
>> touching the chest but not really holding anything then you are right that
>> a contact star is all you need. Or maybe you do not need a contact symbol
>> there at all.
>>
>> However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm not quite sure
>> what I'm reading. Are the two hands in front of the belly or torso? With
>> the fingers intertwined with each other doing a movement 2 times in-between
>> each other?
>>
>> Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly in the Torso
>> area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Valerie Sutton
>> sutton at signwiting.org
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>
>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to
>> indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
>>
>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold
>> the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>
>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to
>> indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
>>
>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold
>> the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
>>
>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton <
>> sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>> SignWriting List
>> August 9, 2022
>>
>> Hello Josenilson!
>> It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to the
>> SignWriting List.
>>
>> Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when writing sign
>> languages.
>>
>> For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to me personally. I
>> follow these everytime I write:
>>
>> SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact
>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html
>>
>> SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center
>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html
>>
>> and it continues for many pages following on the web…
>>
>> These guidelines can also be found at the end of the
>>
>> Lessons in SignWriting Textbook
>> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf
>>
>> We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for writing
>> movement arrows and I had planned to write up a report about our decisions
>> that we made together and then I got so busy I didn't get to it. Maybe now
>> is the time to get back into more discussions?
>>
>> So what specific questions do you have?
>>
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> _______________
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, SW-List!
>> Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or not threre are
>> rules for SW.
>>
>> This page https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/ has spelling
>> rules or not?
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
>>
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