[Sw-l] How to write signs in different locations?

Tue Aug 23 22:58:57 UTC 2022

I never new we could do that !!! Awesome

On 8/20/2022 2:37 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> August 20, 2022
>
> HOW TO WRITE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS
>
> Video 1
> To write the LOCATION ABOVE THE WAIST, lengthen or expand the Torso. 
> Put more space between the Shoulder Line and the Hip Line so you can 
> place the sign above the waist.
>
> Please see attached:
>
>
>
>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> August 20, 2022
>>
>> Hello Rubens, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> Thank you for these important questions about “How to write signs in 
>> different locations”. Thank you for this beautiful video showing the 
>> signs in LIBRAS. I hope all of you will visit YouTube to see the 
>> signs. I will try to write them from the video and answer the 
>> questions one by one, by Video Number. Please note that I have 
>> changed the subject of this thread to “How to write signs 
>> in different locations”: The next email will be my writing of Video 
>> 1, and so forth...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo
>>
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>>
>> ___________
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>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 10:24 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida 
>>> <rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!
>>> The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by 
>>> Josenilson provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in Brazil, 
>>> because as the symbol (*) was not written to touch, I 
>>> understand that there is ambiguity, as I could read the writing as 
>>> the sign was in front of the body, in neutral space, or as there is 
>>> facial expression marking of teeth movement, it could be read as the 
>>> front of the face.
>>>   I also have some doubts about how to write locations, especially 
>>> writing sign that is performed with facial expression.
>>> Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope you 
>>> understand the doubts.
>>> Thank you for all your support!
>>> Att,
>>> Rubens Almeida
>>>
>>> Link:
>>> https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo
>>>
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>>> Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>> <jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>  Thank you very much!
>>> Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.
>>>
>>> Josenilson Mendes
>>>
>>>
>>> Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton 
>>> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>>> SignWriting List
>>> August 11, 2022
>>>
>>> Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:
>>>
>>> Based on this video:
>>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>>
>>> I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and wrote the 
>>> sign based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always write the Position of 
>>> Contact, and SignSpelling Guideline 2: The Position of Contact 
>>> becomes the Center of the Sign with the Movement Symbols relating to 
>>> the Center. Please see attached. I will write another email with 
>>> more detailed explanation and links to the SignSpelling Guidelines 
>>> later…. Thanks for the great question and feel free to comment - 
>>> this is fun to be back in touch!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> August 11, 2022
>>>
>>> Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!
>>>
>>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>>
>>> My answer is coming… Val ;-)
>>> _____________
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>>> Josenilson Mendes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>>> <jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton 
>>>> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> August 9, 2022
>>>>
>>>> Very interesting.
>>>>
>>>> Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will really help.
>>>>
>>>> You are correct that simple contact is quite different than 
>>>> actually grasping clothing or holding a belly. The Grasp Symbol was 
>>>> developed to show holding something. For example holding somebody 
>>>> else's hand in dance, or pinching your ear, or pinching your 
>>>> clothing. But if the hands are only touching the chest but not 
>>>> really holding anything then you are right that a contact star is 
>>>> all you need. Or maybe you do not need a contact symbol there at all.
>>>>
>>>> However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm not quite 
>>>> sure what I'm reading. Are the two hands in front of the belly or 
>>>> torso? With the fingers intertwined with each other doing 
>>>> a movement 2 times in-between each other?
>>>>
>>>> Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly in the 
>>>> Torso area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Valerie Sutton
>>>> sutton at signwiting.org
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>>>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is 
>>>>> used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
>>>>>
>>>>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands 
>>>>> don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josenilson Mendes
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________
>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>>>
>>>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used 
>>>> to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
>>>>
>>>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands 
>>>> don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Josenilson Mendes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton 
>>>> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> August 9, 2022
>>>>
>>>> Hello Josenilson!
>>>> It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to the 
>>>> SignWriting List.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when writing sign 
>>>> languages.
>>>>
>>>> For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to me 
>>>> personally. I follow these everytime I write:
>>>>
>>>> SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact
>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html
>>>>
>>>> SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center
>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html
>>>>
>>>> and it continues for many pages following on the web…
>>>>
>>>> These guidelines can also be found at the end of the
>>>>
>>>> Lessons in SignWriting Textbook
>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf
>>>>
>>>> We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for writing 
>>>> movement arrows and I had planned to write up a report about our 
>>>> decisions that we made together and then I got so busy I didn't get 
>>>> to it. Maybe now is the time to get back into more discussions?
>>>>
>>>> So what specific questions do you have?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>> _______________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes 
>>>>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, SW-List!
>>>>> Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or not threre 
>>>>> are rules for SW.
>>>>>
>>>>> This page https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/ has 
>>>>> spelling rules or not?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Josenilson Mendes
>>>>
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