[Sw-l] How to write signs in different locations?

Fri Aug 26 00:40:52 UTC 2022

SignWriting List

August 25, 2022

Hello Valerie, and all SignWriting List members!

I would like to confirm that the example I write complies with the writing
guidelines. Because in the example contained in the image below, there is
the writing made by Valerie, and the other writing I added the tension
symbol, although the Handshape is not tensioned on the body, I believe that
the tension symbol reinforces that the Handshapes remain on the body, like
if they were glued. I think it could be an alternative to reinforce this.

[image: Example-touch and tense.png]

Is it a possibility that meets the writing guidelines?

Em qua., 24 de ago. de 2022 às 18:02, Profo Rubens Almeida <
rubens.escritadesinais at gmail.com> escreveu:

> SignWriting List
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> August 24, 2022
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> Hello Valerie, and all SignWriting List members!
>
> Your guidance and confirmation of the examples used are very valuable, I
> will complement it with the content of the video I am preparing. Again,
> thank you so much for helping with our queries.🥰
>
> Hugs!
>
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> Em ter., 23 de ago. de 2022 às 20:05, Jonathan Duncan <
> joyoduncan at gmail.com> escreveu:
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>> I never new we could do that !!! Awesome
>> On 8/20/2022 2:37 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> August 20, 2022
>>
>> HOW TO WRITE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS
>>
>> Video 1
>> To write the LOCATION ABOVE THE WAIST, lengthen or expand the Torso. Put
>> more space between the Shoulder Line and the Hip Line so you can place the
>> sign above the waist.
>>
>> Please see attached:
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>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>> wrote:
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>> SignWriting List
>> August 20, 2022
>>
>> Hello Rubens, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> Thank you for these important questions about “How to write signs in
>> different locations”. Thank you for this beautiful video showing the signs
>> in LIBRAS. I hope all of you will visit YouTube to see the signs. I will
>> try to write them from the video and answer the questions one by one, by
>> Video Number. Please note that I have changed the subject of this thread to
>> “How to write signs in different locations”: The next email will be my
>> writing of Video 1, and so forth...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo
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>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 10:24 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida
>> <rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> <rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM>
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!
>> The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by Josenilson
>> provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in Brazil, because as the symbol
>> (*) was not written to touch, I understand that there is ambiguity, as I
>> could read the writing as the sign was in front of the body, in
>> neutral space, or as there is facial expression marking of teeth movement,
>> it could be read as the front of the face.
>>   I also have some doubts about how to write locations, especially
>> writing sign that is performed with facial expression.
>> Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope you understand
>> the doubts.
>> Thank you for all your support!
>> Att,
>> Rubens Almeida
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>> Link:
>>  https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo
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>> Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva Mendes
>> <jsm88b at gmail.com> <jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>  Thank you very much!
>> Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
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>> Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton
>> <sutton at signwriting.org> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>> SignWriting List
>> August 11, 2022
>>
>> Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:
>>
>> Based on this video:
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>
>> I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and wrote the sign
>> based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always write the Position of Contact,
>> and SignSpelling Guideline 2: The Position of Contact becomes the Center of
>> the Sign with the Movement Symbols relating to the Center. Please see
>> attached. I will write another email with more detailed explanation and
>> links to the SignSpelling Guidelines later…. Thanks for the great question
>> and feel free to comment - this is fun to be back in touch!
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________
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>> SignWriting List
>> August 11, 2022
>>
>> Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!
>>
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>>
>> My answer is coming… Val ;-)
>> _____________
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>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes
>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share
>> Josenilson Mendes
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>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva Mendes
>> <jsm88b at gmail.com> <jsm88b at gmail.com> escreveu:
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>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton
>> <sutton at signwriting.org> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>> SignWriting List
>> August 9, 2022
>>
>> Very interesting.
>>
>> Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will really help.
>>
>> You are correct that simple contact is quite different than actually
>> grasping clothing or holding a belly. The Grasp Symbol was developed to
>> show holding something. For example holding somebody else's hand in dance,
>> or pinching your ear, or pinching your clothing. But if the hands are only
>> touching the chest but not really holding anything then you are right that
>> a contact star is all you need. Or maybe you do not need a contact symbol
>> there at all.
>>
>> However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm not quite sure
>> what I'm reading. Are the two hands in front of the belly or torso? With
>> the fingers intertwined with each other doing a movement 2 times in-between
>> each other?
>>
>> Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly in the Torso
>> area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
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>>
>> Valerie Sutton
>> sutton at signwiting.org
>>
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>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>
>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to
>> indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>
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>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
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>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold
>> the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
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>> _____________
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>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!
>>
>> It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to
>> indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mapinguari (indigenous legend)
>>
>> For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold
>> the belly,they just stay in contact with it.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
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>> Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton
>> <sutton at signwriting.org> <sutton at signwriting.org> escreveu:
>> SignWriting List
>> August 9, 2022
>>
>> Hello Josenilson!
>> It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to the
>> SignWriting List.
>>
>> Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when writing sign
>> languages.
>>
>> For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to me personally. I
>> follow these everytime I write:
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>> SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact
>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html
>>
>> SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center
>> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html
>>
>> and it continues for many pages following on the web…
>>
>> These guidelines can also be found at the end of the
>>
>> Lessons in SignWriting Textbook
>> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf
>>
>> We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for writing
>> movement arrows and I had planned to write up a report about our decisions
>> that we made together and then I got so busy I didn't get to it. Maybe now
>> is the time to get back into more discussions?
>>
>> So what specific questions do you have?
>>
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> _______________
>>
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>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM>
>> <jsm88b at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, SW-List!
>> Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or not threre are
>> rules for SW.
>>
>> This page https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/ has spelling
>> rules or not?
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>>
>> Josenilson Mendes
>>
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