[Sw-l] [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing

Thu Feb 17 19:39:16 UTC 2022

Hi André,

Both spellings mean "MOVE" in ASL to me. They mean the same thing.

As for choosing which spelling to use, I would use the second one, because
it is more "economical".
However, as for the usage of (B), it depends on how much the writer knows
SignWriting.
I would expect the more knowledgeable and fluent signwriters would come up
with that arrowhead in (B);
I can imagine the beginner signwriters would more likely use (A).

Cheers,
AnnaGrace

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 2:07 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hi Val, Adam and everyone,
>
> Adam and Val: Thank you for your answer.
>
> Adam signwrote: [image: glyphogram.php.png]
>                                      A) MOVE (ASL)
>
> I signwrite: [image: glyphogram.php.png]
>                       B) MOVE (ASL)
>
> Is B) MOVE the correct spelling?  If so, A) MOVE is more commonly used. B)
> MOVE is more rarely used. I like an ASL sign for B) MOVE because B) MOVE is
> more economical than A) MOVE.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:55:01 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing
>
> That’s part of the reason I asked. ;-) I have several people off the list
> that I have been asking as well. Even some who aren’t familiar or skilled
> with SignWriting, just to see an alternative view in case there might be a
> more simple option.
>
> So I have settled down with this as the main option:
>
> It actually takes the exact spelling of 22 on both hands. It seems that
> most people that I have talked with don’t see the paths overlapping that
> often. They can, but not usually.
>
> If the sign is made larger and/or with more repeated wrist flex, it seems
> to be possible that there is an overlapping path. I had tired to write it
> like this:
>
> But it seems that the above spelling isn’t very readable to many people of
> various SignWriting skill levels. So I tried this option below, and it
> seems it is more readily understandable.
>
> So, if I were to follow the same principle and write the straight general
> movement rather than the curved, I found this is actually more readable
> than the combined arrows.
>
> But now for the curve ball! I have asked several people (off the list)
> what movement they see with that sign. The ones that don’t know SignWriting
> at all generally said they see a straight down movement and then a curve,
> which may or may not be repeated. To follow that interpretation of the
> movement, I wrote this option below. I know that it doesn’t have a wrist
> flex, but even when I asked specifically if the sign bends at the wrist, I
> was mostly told it doesn’t matter if it does or not.
>
> So it seems that the two main options I have found are  and . I would
> personally go with the first option, but I do see the thinking behind the
> second one.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:56 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Same here. :)
>
> And I think that's good, because the more often we are of the same
> opinion, the higher the probability of success with the sign search.
>
> The exchange is great here!
>
> Uta
>
>
>
> Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> schrieb am Do.,
> 17. Feb. 2022, 00:56:
>
>> I Like First entries for "signtesseing". I look clean.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:19 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>> msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I like the two recent entries for "sightseeing." Thumbs up!
>>>
>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:10 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that the first writing is probably the most accurate, but it
>>>> just seems to be bigger than the other writings. I just added a couple of
>>>> other spellings, both with the wrist movement written into them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>>
>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:19 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>
>>>> I looked in the links you provided.
>>>>
>>>> I like the first entry for "sightseeing." The second one is okay, and I
>>>> find it acceptable. The third one is understandable, but I like the second
>>>> one better. :-)
>>>>
>>>> If all three remain in the SignPuddle, then these three serve as an
>>>> example of sign variations and of how they can be written in slightly
>>>> different ways.
>>>>
>>>> Below is a video link of the sign "sightseeing" being used. It's in *timestamp
>>>> 01:15*. I see the wrist action here. I use the wrist action myself.
>>>> That's why I like the first entry in the SignPuddle. If other signers don't
>>>> use the wrist flick, then entries two and three in the SignPuddle apply.
>>>>
>>>> Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's my feedback. Hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This has been one sign that I have been trying to see what is the best
>>>>> way to write. It has the similar movement as 22 from earlier discussion
>>>>> except that it uses both hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a video of it for those who aren’t sure of the sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few different spellings that I have done of this sign in
>>>>> SignPuddle. I am not sure how I feel about them being the best spelling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>>>
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
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