[Sw-l] General movement arrowhead
Valerie Sutton
sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Fri Feb 25 03:25:22 UTC 2022
SignWriting List
February 24, 2022
Hello Andre, and everyone -
I feel so sad listening to the news…I pray for world peace…
Thank goodness, when it comes to SignWriting, you can feel peace around the world right now. No matter what sign language you are writing, your writing will be respected.
Write as you wish, Andre and everyone. And I will try to provide you with two important pillars of support:
First, the understanding of how the SignWriting symbols were originally designed and defined back in the 1980s and 1990s by me and the Deaf Action Committee for SW (the DAC).
Second, examples of how the symbols have been used over the past 30 years in different countries… with suggestions for some new definitions based on usage around the world. This is good for SignWriting.
I can sense your frustration that I have not been answering all these messages quickly. I am 71 years old and retired and I have had some health issues recently but I am doing better again so I feel hopeful I can sit at the computer again and work again.
I cannot work at such a fast pace however. I am just now starting to have time to prepare new documents on the General Arrowhead, which is a major subject, since it will require an addendum to our textbooks.
For several years Adam and I have been talking about creating a new textbook on SignWriting Movement Symbols. But we never got to it. Maybe we can now.
If I could create a new textbook on video in YouTube, with Adam as my ASL partner, I could do this faster, but I am worried you will be unable to see these videos, Andre. I will try to make a textbook version of the videos too, for you and others, to provide additional support for those who cannot use videos.
So no one is saying no. We are saying we understand, and here is how it was designed, and here is how it is evolving, and all that is ok…but we are slow ;-)
I need to feel less pressure. I need time to prepare good materials.
I am sure you know that our non-profit closed its doors in 2020? Steve is now working full time elsewhere, and Adam too. And I retired in 2020. But we are all working with SignWriting as volunteers when we can.
Just as all of you are too of course. I thank you for your volunteer efforts.
And the examples that you are listing below in your messages, Andre, are excellent. Thank you for showing them to us…I will use your examples for sure…that saves me some time not to have to look for them myself. I appreciate your efforts.
So thank you again for your examples…and no worries, ok?!
I had an orthopedist tell me last week, that every 45 minutes we should all stand up from our computers and walk around the room or stand up at our computers instead of sitting down for hours - I am sure this will be good for everyone, and I am going to do this right now!
I am trying to walk 8000 steps per day (3 miles or so) based on my iPhones pedometer ;-)
So lucky to have this equipment and the legs to walk with...
Val ;-)
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> On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:21 PM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Yesterday, I talked about a first definition (with contact) and a second definition (no contact). A signwriter signwrote: (DRESSER ASL). Is similar to . According to the second definition (no contact), in incorrect because two hands do not move down "the same path". I show you the correct spelling and I invent a new sign. I signwrite: . Which Is smiler to . According to the second definition (no contact), is correct because two hands move down "the same path". I understand the second definition. But, there is a conflict between the visual perception and the second definition.. According to my visual perception, is correct because two hands move down in "the same direction" (ex.: = ). When I read , I perceive it and interpret . I mean that movedown at the same time what I see. You remember (ASK LSQ) and (PLAN ASL). (neutral or general arrowhead) is used for , and which move at the same time what I see. I should not be alone to use the neutral or general movement arrowhead for . It is important that a signwriting community uses it. I would like that you observe below which is used by signwriters from all over the world.
>
>
> By Sandy Fleming By Dali By Honza
> From Great Britain from Tunisia from CZ
>
>
> By Ingvild By Aline By AnHL
> From Norway from Brazil from Switnerland
>
>
> By Juliette By ??? By E.S
> From France from Japan from Slovenia
>
> I mean that I am not alone. Where do signwriters learn above ? They did not study a textbook (ex.: ). Their eyes tell their brain what they see because the natural brain work. For , can be used for . cannot be used for . I develop a third definition. The neutral or general movement arrowhead is defined as both hands moving in the same direction. The first, second and third definitions will become one definition.
>
> I will send you a message for one definition this week or next week.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Wed, 23 Feb 2022 11:45:58 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: General movement arrowhead
>
> Sorry that you weren’t able to view the video. If there is somehow that I can adjust it so you can see the arrows connecting to the various movements that I make, just let me know and I will make it. :-)
>
> Regarding the first definition of these arrows, you are right that it was defined as “two hands move as one unit”. The talk about it being with contact was an example because that is the most common situation.
>
> The deeper definition (and probably older definition from DanceWriting and MimeWriting) is that the two hands move along the same path. Basically it would be like both the black and white arrows being written on top of each other.
>
> These are good illustrations of what I am saying above:
> becomes ASK (LSQ)
>
> becomes PLAN (ASL)
>
> You are right that the second example doesn’t have contact, which is what might confuse people for the correct way to use these arrows.
>
> Now for your example of my writing of DRESSER (ASL) . I wrote that sign a long time ago when I was experimenting with probably the same issue you are talking about now. I am not saying that because I wrote this, that I feel it is correctly written. It was an experiment, and it still is because I need more feedback on how people read it.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
Val ;-)
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