[Sw-l] General movement arrowhead
André Thibeault
atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Fri Feb 25 04:05:16 UTC 2022
Hi Val and everyone,
Val: Let you know that I am not frustrated. I want to tell you that you do
not need to respond to my email. It is fine for me. You can only read my
emails. I did not ask you my question. If I ask you my question, you can
respond to my email more later or do not respond to it. It is fine for me. I
will not be frustrated.
Take care of yourself.
Hugs,
André
De : Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date : Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:25:22 -0800
À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet : Re: General movement arrowhead
SignWriting List
February 24, 2022
Hello Andre, and everyone -
I feel so sad listening to the newsŠI pray for world peaceŠ
Thank goodness, when it comes to SignWriting, you can feel peace around the
world right now. No matter what sign language you are writing, your writing
will be respected.
Write as you wish, Andre and everyone. And I will try to provide you with
two important pillars of support:
First, the understanding of how the SignWriting symbols were originally
designed and defined back in the 1980s and 1990s by me and the Deaf Action
Committee for SW (the DAC).
Second, examples of how the symbols have been used over the past 30 years in
different countriesŠ with suggestions for some new definitions based on
usage around the world. This is good for SignWriting.
I can sense your frustration that I have not been answering all these
messages quickly. I am 71 years old and retired and I have had some health
issues recently but I am doing better again so I feel hopeful I can sit at
the computer again and work again.
I cannot work at such a fast pace however. I am just now starting to have
time to prepare new documents on the General Arrowhead, which is a major
subject, since it will require an addendum to our textbooks.
For several years Adam and I have been talking about creating a new textbook
on SignWriting Movement Symbols. But we never got to it. Maybe we can now.
If I could create a new textbook on video in YouTube, with Adam as my ASL
partner, I could do this faster, but I am worried you will be unable to see
these videos, Andre. I will try to make a textbook version of the videos
too, for you and others, to provide additional support for those who cannot
use videos.
So no one is saying no. We are saying we understand, and here is how it was
designed, and here is how it is evolving, and all that is okŠbut we are slow
;-)
I need to feel less pressure. I need time to prepare good materials.
I am sure you know that our non-profit closed its doors in 2020? Steve is
now working full time elsewhere, and Adam too. And I retired in 2020. But we
are all working with SignWriting as volunteers when we can.
Just as all of you are too of course. I thank you for your volunteer
efforts.
And the examples that you are listing below in your messages, Andre, are
excellent. Thank you for showing them to usŠI will use your examples for
sureŠthat saves me some time not to have to look for them myself. I
appreciate your efforts.
So thank you again for your examplesŠand no worries, ok?!
I had an orthopedist tell me last week, that every 45 minutes we should all
stand up from our computers and walk around the room or stand up at our
computers instead of sitting down for hours - I am sure this will be good
for everyone, and I am going to do this right now!
I am trying to walk 8000 steps per day (3 miles or so) based on my iPhones
pedometer ;-)
So lucky to have this equipment and the legs to walk with...
Val ;-)
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> On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:21 PM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Yesterday, I talked about a first definition (with contact) and a second
> definition (no contact). A signwriter signwrote: (DRESSER ASL). Is similar
> to . According to the second definition (no contact), in incorrect because
> two hands do not move down "the same path". I show you the correct spelling
> and I invent a new sign. I signwrite: . Which Is smiler to . According to
> the second definition (no contact), is correct because two hands move down
> "the same path". I understand the second definition. But, there is a conflict
> between the visual perception and the second definition.. According to my
> visual perception, is correct because two hands move down in "the same
> direction" (ex.: = ). When I read , I perceive it and interpret . I mean
> that movedown at the same time what I see. You remember (ASK LSQ) and
> (PLAN ASL). (neutral or general arrowhead) is used for , and which move at
> the same time what I see. I should not be alone to use the neutral or general
> movement arrowhead for . It is important that a signwriting community uses
> it. I would like that you observe below which is used by signwriters from
> all over the world.
>
>
> By Sandy Fleming By Dali By Honza
> From Great Britain from Tunisia from CZ
>
>
> By Ingvild By Aline By AnHL
> From Norway from Brazil from Switnerland
>
>
> By Juliette By ??? By E.S
> From France from Japan from Slovenia
>
> I mean that I am not alone. Where do signwriters learn above ? They did not
> study a textbook (ex.: ). Their eyes tell their brain what they see because
> the natural brain work. For , can be used for . cannot be used for . I
> develop a third definition. The neutral or general movement arrowhead is
> defined as both hands moving in the same direction. The first, second and
> third definitions will become one definition.
>
> I will send you a message for one definition this week or next week.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
> <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Wed, 23 Feb 2022 11:45:58 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: General movement arrowhead
>
> Sorry that you weren¹t able to view the video. If there is somehow that I can
> adjust it so you can see the arrows connecting to the various movements that I
> make, just let me know and I will make it. :-)
>
> Regarding the first definition of these arrows, you are right that it was
> defined as ³two hands move as one unit². The talk about it being with contact
> was an example because that is the most common situation.
>
> The deeper definition (and probably older definition from DanceWriting and
> MimeWriting) is that the two hands move along the same path. Basically it
> would be like both the black and white arrows being written on top of each
> other.
>
> These are good illustrations of what I am saying above:
> becomes ASK (LSQ)
>
> becomes PLAN (ASL)
>
> You are right that the second example doesn¹t have contact, which is what
> might confuse people for the correct way to use these arrows.
>
> Now for your example of my writing of DRESSER (ASL) . I wrote that sign a long
> time ago when I was experimenting with probably the same issue you are talking
> about now. I am not saying that because I wrote this, that I feel it is
> correctly written. It was an experiment, and it still is because I need more
> feedback on how people read it.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
Val ;-)
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