[Sw-l] Presentation of sign Search (German: Geb ärdensuche)

Thu Jan 27 05:51:41 UTC 2022

Oh, that's information I actually didn't know about.
Very very important! Unfortunately we still use the old signeditor from
delegs. The changeover takes time.

I really have to take a lot more time to get to know the sign Editor
better, so that the changeover is through as quickly as possible.

I have to make sure that I write with the signpuddle correctly, so that as
birch as possible important information is in the swu.

To the sign ~

I know that ~ has several meanings:

- Hand stops after movement
- Hand is moved under tension
- Hand doesn't move

And I don't like

I don't like this fact because it's important because of the sign search
that each symbol has only one meaning. Therefore we decided to choose the
3rd meaning because that seems to us to be the most important. For 2-hand.
There are 5 properties. One of them is a resting hand. Since the
information is unimportant for own but right hand, we have agreed that
symbol ~  property "resting recessive hand" to order.

So, now you know my motivation for why we solved it this way.
My feeling tells me it's not a good way to make our own rules.

Therefore, take a step back:
Why does a symbol have multiple meanings? What are the advantages?

Best regards
Uta

Stephen Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net> schrieb am Mi., 26. Jan. 2022,
23:37:

> Hi Uta,
>
> Thanks for sharing.  It's nice to see searching in SignWriting.
>
> About the dominant vs recessive hand, this is not something that you can
> determine by symbol alone.
> A few thoughts...
>
> A sign in SignWriting is spelled using a two-part word of time and space:
> the temporal prefix and the spatial signbox.
> *
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-slevinski-formal-signwriting-08.html#name-two-part-word
>
> Here are two signs that will have the same visual appearance because they
> have the same spatial signbox information.
> However, the first sign has a temporal prefix while the second does not.
> The major advantage of the temporal prefix is that it makes sorting
> possible.
>
>
>
> If you use Valerie's rules for creating the temporal prefix, it will start
> with the dominant hand and then have the recessive hand.
>
> For searching, you can search the temporal prefix or the spatial signbox.
> *
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-slevinski-formal-signwriting-08.html#name-query-language
>
> Consider these query strings.
>
>
> Query strings 1 and 2 search the spatial signbox.
> The "fr" is used to specify any fill and any rotation respectively.
>
> Query string 3 and 4 search the temporal prefix.
> Searching the temporal prefix is indicated by starting with "A" and end
> with "T"
> The "R" indicates a range and is followed by two symbols.
>
> So, if you use the temporal prefix, you can use a query string like 3 to
> find the signs that specify the dominant hand.
>
> You can use a query string like 4 to find the signs with any dominant
> hand, but a specific recessive hand.
>
> This would only work with starting handshapes.
>
> Regards,
> -Steve
>
>
>
> On 1/26/22 11:00 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:
>
> Hello dear signwriters,
>
> I would like to explain to you how sign search works in sign2mint.
>
> https://sign2mint.de/search/gebaerdensuche
>
> If you know a sign, but not
>
> If you know a sign but you don't know its translation or you don't know
> the meaning of the sign and you want a translation for it.
>
>  There are 4 groups:
>
>    1. handshape
>    2. 2-hand
>    3. contact
>    4. movement
>
>
> handshape:
> There are 30 main handshapes (phonem, i dont know, whether the word
> "phonem" is used). We have phonems and allophons and fingerspellings.
> Allophones are handshapes that are similar to phonemes or written
> differently, allophones are minimal deviations from phonemes.
>
> There is a table with phonem, allophon and fingerspellings.
> https://sign2mint.de/page/gebaerdensuchinformation
>
> If, you choose a phonem, so it looks for this phonem and its allophons and
> fingerspellings. Independent of hand position.
>
> 2-hand:
> there are 5 ways in which the left hand moves compared to the right hand.
> - parallel
> - symmetrical
> - alternating
> - resting
> - performing together
>
> I would very much like to add that it is only a hand gesture, but there is
> no symbol for it, so this selection is not available.
>
> contact:
> There are 4 how-contact:
> - simple contact
> - wipe (loose) contact
> - rub (continuous) contact
> - grap contact
> There are 4 where-contact:
> - head
> - neck
> - breast
> - arm
>
> I would very much like to add hand contact, but we have no idea, which
> symbol. We use arm, breast or neck only, if there is contact. And head with
> contact symbol like ")" in the head.
>
> movement:
> There are 9 movements.
> - straight
> - wave
> - angular
> - circle
> - spirale
> - arm rotation
> - hand movement
> - finger movement
>
> The more symbols you select, the more accurate the result will be.
> There is no finer selection. We will see if we need it.
> I would like to distinguish in dominant and recessive hand, that is not
> possible with signwriting. Or is it?
>
> sign2mint-Team
> Uta
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